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#136498 12/27/04 06:12 AM
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smack in the middle of this tome I'm reading, I find the following:

..the downstream tip of the Ile de la Cite, spang in the center of the Pont-Neuf.

both spang and smack would seem to mean precisely or directly in these contexts; although I suppose smack-dab would suggest more-precisely. :)

I've often heard smack used in this sense, spang springs entire new upon me.

spang in the center of ~ 2 gh
spang in the middle of ~ 71 gh
smack in the middle of ~ 136,000 gh
smack-dab in the middle of ~ 86,500 gh


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both spang and smack would seem to mean precisely or directly in these contexts; although I suppose smack-dab would suggest more-precisely. :)

I've often heard smack used in this sense, spang springs entire new upon me.


Perhaps it's a contraction of "smack-bang", which is rather common up here. I haven't checked its gh score, but my gut says that smack-bang would be slightly more common up here than smack-dab, although only just.


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What's the author's nationality, tsuwm?


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spang in the center of the Pont-Neuf

Any chance it's a typo, tsuwm? The meaning would be the same if the author intended "sprang".

re "spang springs entire new upon me": Could be it sprang entire new on the author himself.

Upon further investigation, it is more likely that "spang", which is defined in Merriam-Webster thus "Etymology: Scots spang to leap, cast, bang", evolved into "sprang", for they both mean pretty much the same thing, especially in the context in which you encountered the word, tsuwm.

Typos sping eternal. [They are not just a phenomenon of our own time. It reminds me of the aphorism: "Antiquity cannot privilege an error, nor novelty prejudice a truth."]

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the quote is from Neal Stephenson's (born in Maryland, lives in Seattle) Quicksilver. I didn't key the entire text as I'm keying mostly with one hand, but in the total context and spirit of the narrative, smack-dab in the middle fits best. his website:

http://www.nealstephenson.com/

he has some things to say about politics and religion, trolls and introverts, and other stuff (he's exclusively a Mac user, ASp); here is what he says about Fame:

It helps to put this in perspective by likening me to the mayor of Des Moines, Iowa. It's true of both the mayor of Des Moines and of me that, out of the world's population of some six billion people, there are a few hundred thousand who consider us important, and who recognize us by name. In the case of the mayor of Des Moines, that is simply the population of the Des Moines metropolitan area. In my case, it is the approximate number of people who are avid readers of my books. In addition, there might be as many as a million or two who would find my name vaguely familiar if they saw it; the same is probably true of the mayor of Des Moines.



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Thanks for passing that along, tsuwm.

Neal Stephenson is admirably modest, perhaps more modest than the Mayor of Des Moines, but, all things considered, he could have done himself even greater honor by honoring himself even less.

Those "few hundred thousand ... avid readers" of his may one day be gone, all gone, and few may search for "Quicksilver", if that is the judgment of history.

Neal Stephenson will be long dead, and you and I as well, before he knows the judgment of history. Good enough reason for him, and anyone enjoying the warm glow of approbation today, to be modest, I'd say.

Obviously we need something to sustain us, and drive us, which is larger than approbation. What drove Van Gogh who sold hardly a painting in his day? Could he possibly have known that one day one of his paintings would sell for more money than any painting in history?

How foolish it is, on the evidence of history, to judge our worth, assuming we strive with honor, on the favor or disfavor we harvest in our life-time.


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How foolish it is, on the evidence of history, to judge our worth, assuming we strive with honor, on the favor or disfavor we harvest in our life-time.

This is, in most cases, ALL that politicians do.




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Completely new on me too, tsuwm - I shall watch this space with interest. My updownside frerend's suggestion of a contraction had me halfway convinced, but then I got to wondering "why not <<smang>>?"

Oh, but you say it's Scottish in origin, not English ~ ah well, the barbarian hordes, doncha know?

aaaaargh, get faldage off me!


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My updownside frerend's suggestion of a contraction had me halfway convinced, but then I got to wondering "why not <<smang>>?"


Yep, when my other synapse fired, I thought exactly the same thing.



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other synapse - whu yu kidding, duude?!

But then I got to thinking mm, contraction of just the /s/ onto 'bang' is possible and the difference in sound (between the voiced and unvoiced bilabial plosives) is minimal. I guess we'd need to find some example of the fusion/confusion to prove it either way. Tell us more if you find anything, tsuwm?


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