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While still under the influence of a fortnight in the Sandwich Islands, I prepared a salad for our supper this evening using ingredients which we ate while on Oahu and Maui. It being Advent, when tangerines are commonly found at the grocers, I decided to make a salad dressing out of fresh-squeezed tangerine juice, to which I added Hawaiian sweet soy sauce, olive oil, pulverized garlic, and Japanese rice wine vinegar. When I presented this to Mem-sahib, she asked what I called the dressing and I pronounced it "tangerine vinaigrette." "There is no such thing," she responded. To which I replied, "There must be in that you are, at this moment, eating it."
One wonders: how far may one depart from the traditional ingredients of "vinaigrette" and still call the result "vinaigrette"?
PS: This is NOT a food thread.
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Perhaps Memsahib is challenging you to give it a more unusual name?
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PS: This is NOT a food thread.Ah, so true, Father Steve, and grits ain't groceries, and eggs ain't poultries, and Mona Lisa was a man. 
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One wonders: how far may one depart from the traditional ingredients of "vinaigrette" and still call the result "vinaigrette"?
Well, you could call it a vinaigerine, Father Steve.
This reminds me, I sat at the bar in a roadhouse recently and watched the bartender make up a scarlet, crushed ice concoction in a blender which he then emptied into 2 enormous martini glasses, easily 4 times the size of any martini glass I had ever seen before.
I asked the bartender what he called it. A "Lobsterita", he replied.
"What's in it?", I asked. He recited the ingredients, which didn't include lobster. "Where's the lobster?".
There is no lobster, he said. A "lobsterita" is just big.
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The Red Lobster chain of seafood restaurants sells a giant-sized Margarita which the chain describes as "the new Raspberry Lobsterita, an impressive 24-ounce frozen raspberry margarita served in a hand-blown Mexican glass that comes complete with a string of Lobster beads."
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The Red Lobster chain of seafood restaurants sells a giant-sized Margarita which the chain describes as "the new Raspberry LobsteritaYes, that's it, Father Steve. It was a Red Lobster roadhouse now that I think of it. But the bartender short-changed the customers on "the string of Lobster beads". Perhaps it was their second order and he reckoned their vision was too blurred to miss the beads. I noticed that he topped the concoction off with a swirl of liqueur, acknowledging, when I expressed surprise at this embellishment, that the concoction makes him sick, not only to consume but also to concoct. All of which goes to prove that you can peddle anything to trendistas if you market it as "new" and "impressive". Maybe they should call it a "trendita" and spare the Coin-treau. Maybe their customers would actually enjoy it. About Cointreau "Cointreau is a clear, mildly bitter, orange liqueur, flavored with the peel of sour and sweet oranges from Curacao and Spain. It is considered to be a high quality Triple Sec." http://www.webtender.com/db/ingred/359Hmm. Maybe you should try Cointreau instead of tangerines in your vinaigrette next time. It will make your "tangerine vinaigrette" sound a lot more appetizing. As to how much tangerine you can put in your "vinaigrette" and still call it "vinaigrette": How much Episcopalian can you put in Catholicism and still call it Christian?
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Well, the term is, of course, from the French for vinegar, and is typically of oil and vinegar, and herbs. It seems to me that as long as you have oil and vinegar -- or, even, arguably, just the vinegar -- all the rest is negotiable. Just don't try to give me a recipe for pesto which has no basil in it.  
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"It seems to me that as long as you have oil and vinegar -- or, even, arguably, just the vinegar -- all the rest is negotiable." It sounds to me like Noel Coward's recipe for a dry martini. He filled the glass with gin and wafted the cork from a bottle of vermouth over the glass. It was still a martini.
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>Noel Coward.. wafted the cork from a bottle of vermouth over the glass.
I thought that was Sir Winston Churchill.
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Noel Coward was the one who called the bartender a loudmouth for whispering "vermouth" too loudly over the glass of gin.
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We don;t have a Red Lobster in our area, for which great thanks are due to Someone. In fact, there is only one retaurant in the county that can serve any alcohol other than wine. This restaurant uses handblown French glasses in the shape of a bird with widespread wings. You guessed it, they put in a margarita and call it Tequila Mockingbird.
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<ahem>
you can say what you like about TEd's puns, but they appear to be hard-fought and are certainly non-obvious.
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> you can say what you like about TEd's puns
oooh, can we...? :]
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oooh, can we...? :] Mav, I think we'd best not. But I think we can vote on whether TEd's worst is his best or his best is his best. Be careful though, it's best not to arouse the wrath of punsters named TEd. They have no shame. 
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Just in the connotative sense, I think of vinaigrettes as being lighter than dressings--not heavily oily. Since your recipe has rice wine vinegar and other light ingredients, such as the tangerine juice and soy sauce, I would have thought it was a vinaigrette just based on its appearance even without your having announced it as a vinaigrette.
Now, please, Father Steve, even though this isn't a food thread, would you please post here the proportions of ingredients, for these ingredients sound very nice together and I'd like to try my hand at this creation. Thank you for considering.
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It being Advent, when tangerines are commonly found at the grocers
Is that just a coincidence, or is there some symbolism that I'm unaware of?
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"There is no such thing," she responded. To which I replied, "There must be in that you are, at this moment, eating it."
I just ran a check with the Academie and they said there will be a minimum 6 week wait while they decide if the word vinaigrette may be used to refer to a dressing made with your recipe.
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Lovely cross thread
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It being Advent, when tangerines are commonly found at the grocers
Is that just a coincidence, or is there some symbolism that I'm unaware of?
The most traditional liturgical colours for Advent are purple (or violet) and a sort of royal blue. I never heard of anybody using the colour "tangerine" -- if indeed there IS such a colour -- to symbolize Adventide.
I just meant that things like satsumas and mandarins and tangerines tend to show up at the grocers around this time of year in the Colonies.
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then there is the color octarine, which according to Terry Pratchett is the color of magic.
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Oh, my God! Tsuwm knows the work of Terry Pratchett. For the uninitiated, Terry Pratchett is one of the funniest writers on the planet. Seriously. And not so seriously.
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> funniest writers
Agreed :))
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Where would be a good place to start reading T. Pratchett for the uninitiated?
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if indeed there IS such a colour
You are such a *guy. Of course there's such a color. You just need two X chromosomes to be able to distinguish it from all the other shades of orange.
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You are such a *guy. Of course there's such a color. You just need two X chromosomes to be able to distinguish it from all the other shades of orange.
On a really good day, I am able to distinguish as many as sixteen (total) colours, which does prove conclusively that I am a guy. This disability saves me money when buying crayons, because there is no need to buy the really big box.
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This disability saves me money when buying crayons, because there is no need to buy the really big box.
I would say that this disability gives you all the more reason to buy the really big box, Father Steve.
We should not allow our limitations, especially those of perception, to limit us. :)
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anyone who has heard me sing, will testify, i really am tone deaf.
but i am blessed with a wonderful ability with color..
i can see colors the way those with perfect pitch can hear notes..
i can match colors.. i have mixed paints (exterior enamals) to touch up a huge patch made out of sheet metal (the was just screw on) on the under side of the back (between rear wheel and bumper..) the paint didn't have the same sparkle/glitter as car paint, but it was a perfect match.. (and cheaper than all those cans of spray paint that never really quite match anyway)
i am excelent at matching trim--thread/binding/buttons (on clothing)-- a skill my mother utilized when i was still a child..
i have a pantone book of colors, and even though it has 1000 + shades, i really had to compromise on the purple i chose for my entry way hall paint.. the book didn't have the exact shade i envisioned, and i couldn't find anything to color match.. The color i chose is quite nice.. deep, rich purple (harold and the purple crayon purple) i wanted a shade just a little bluer, but still purple!
i ended up with deep purple, not eggplant, or prune, or mauve wine, or burgendy, or grape jam, or concord grape.
most of the other purples were too light in town (medium to pastel tones) or too redish--red violet..
some one i know used the term puce recently.. puce.. a redish brown.. the color of a lice's underside(belly) right after a blood feast.. its really a lovely color.. (when not on someone's face!
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puce.. a redish brown.. the color of a lice's underside(belly) right after a blood feast.. its really a lovely color..
I'm sure it is a lovely color, Of Troy. But if "Color Our World" gets hold of it, I'm sure they won't call it "puce" and they won't have a lice's underbelly on the paint can either. :)
What name would do justice to the color? Russet?
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a good place to start reading T. Pratchett for the uninitiated?For anyone with your delightful literary bent, dubdub, it's got to be Equal Rites followed swiftly by Wyrd Sisters... yes, you'll immediately recognise elements of Shakespeare but there is more (always, with Pratchett!): there's a bit more to it than just the Macbeth reference. 'Wyrd' is the Norse concept of destiny or fate...http://www.ie.lspace.org/books/apf/wyrd-sisters.htmlHowever, the real magic of the books is not just the individual charm but the complete synthesised alternate world he builds up, layer by layer... and all wickedly and wonderfully observant of the idiocies of mankind yet maintaining a warm-hearted acceptance of our possible grace. I am particularly fond of the series which feature the Watch (police farce of the city of Anhk Morpork) - I think this is about the right order to try: Carrott, Vimes and the rest of the Night Watch of Anhk Morpork Guards! Guards! (Book 8) - introduces Carrot and Vimes Men At Arms (Book 15) - a new threat invades the city Feet of Clay (Book 17) - weaker but still funny Jingo (Book 21) – builds on the scene The Fifth Elephant (Book 24) - Hilarious one of my absolute favourites Night Watch (Book 27) – I love the Watch! Monstrous Regiment (Book 28) - A regiment of misfits are back in Uberwald with Vimes. But then again, all those featuring the Wizards are sublime... and DEATH... and the skit on LA-LA land is a hoot... and Music with rocks in it has altered my perceptions... and The Lost Continent... oh, read them all then report back! http://www.misrule.com.au/pratchett2.html
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You can put whatever you want in it and call it a vinaigrette, but you might arouse the ire of culinary fundamentalists, who seem to take their salad dressings pretty seriously.
RANCH BOMBED BY BALSAMIC EXTREMISTS
from combined theonion wires.
HIDDEN VALLEY - CA - (NOT PAWN) A radical balsamic
fundamentalist group detonated an estimated 800
pounds of TNT at the Hidden Valley Ranch compound
Monday, killing 11 and injuring dozens more.
"Let no salad again be foully tainted by the
corrupt regime of Hidden Valley," said Martin
Pulaski, leader of the Nation of Balsam, in a
statement claiming responsibility for the deadly
attack. "We shall not rest until every salad's
flavor is enhanced by a light and tangy vinaigrette,
not buried in a shameful avalanche of buttermilk."
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"In the beginning there was nothing, which then exploded."
~Terry Pratchett.
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I'm with Mav on starting with the whole Discworld series, but start with book 1 and move on from there. Sometimes, he'll refer to something one of the characters did in a previous book so it's always nice to know the histroy.
Once those bazillion books are done, you can move on the the Carpet People books if you like series, but he has a slew of other funny books you can choose from. My whole English-reading family, including me, absolutely adores his writing.
One that I've found many Pratchett lovers are not aware of is "GOOD OMENS. The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch"
It's a collaboration between Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman (best known for his "Sandman" comic-book series - which are absolutely terrific, by the way.)
Good Omens is a real treasure in my opinion. I've read it several times.
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Oops, forgot to add.
Your's is definitely a vinaigrette Father Steve. If it's got vinagre, it's a vinaigrette, sinon it's a sauce à salade.
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Oops, forgot to add.
Yours is definitely a vinaigrette Father Steve. If it's got vinagre, it's a vinaigrette, sinon it's a sauce à salade.
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