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to link or to quote; another question begging to be asked... <<the phrase actually comes from another sense of the word beg; that is to take for granted without warrant -- here are a couple of citations: This was to assert or beg the thing in Question. Many say it is begging the point in dispute.>> by the way, those [<< >>] were guillemets just then, quotation marks in some of the Romance languages. 
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Are we referring to individual items? If so, "fewer" is correct, as in "She ate fewer than ten wolverines during her vacation."
Are we referring to a quantity? Then "less," as in "He avoided prison by driving at 50 miles an hour or less."
I lean toward the items, rather than the quantity.
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Well, if the thread is messy we can only blame the sewing confusion!
Tapi, saya orang bodoh saja!
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Another exception to this is with the ter- form, which has to use oleh for the agent.
Yes, the people I asked said Baju saya terbawa oleh adik saya and Baju saya terbawa adik saya (My little brother/sister took my shirt by mistake) are both acceptable, but the form without oleh is more colloquial.
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Sewing confusion" sounds very genteel indeed! Thanks for the offer but I don't think fine needlework is really for me. But time travel to Byzantium in the 13th C: now that's a tempting thought!At least you got the context, PS. It was quite intentional. Byzantium wouldn't have been all that great, really. Especially if it was in 1453. Not a good year for them, actually. Unless you were an Ottoman, of course. BTW, I love the play on words in your handle ...
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>quotation marks in some of the Romance languages <<Not inverted commas, then?>>
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<<Not inverted commas, then?>>
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beating me to the punch!
Thanks Tsuwm! when the thread about quote marks started, i was wondering if the inverted comma's had always been used, or just used since type face was around.
"Inverted comma's" sounds like a printers/typesetters term-- and since there are so many technical terms that have been around for so long--mechanical technology has really been around for so long--term are old..clutch-- as a mechanical device-- has been around since the 13c... and printing presses almost as long... that we just don't even think about them.
It seem logical to me that there was always a way of saying quote in a notational short hand-- but the only way i know how to do it is " " and i wondered how it was done before printers started using inverted comma's!
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>Unless you were an Ottoman, of course.
Well, I'm bigger than that not quite big enough to be a davenport -- sort of prefer to think of myself as a love seat.
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...sort of prefer to think of myself as a love seat
You're pretty phat but.
(Couldn't resist again.)
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Helen postulates that "inverted commas" was a printer's term. 'Fraid not. I was a printer for fifteen years and never ran across the term "professionally". I had a quick flick through my apprenticeship notes, which I still treasure, along with the paper's style book this morning, and although they are shown, they are not dignified with any term other than "quotes". Interestingly enough, "single quotation mark" is mentioned, as is apostrophe, but one is not shown as a synonym for the other.
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