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Musick asserted that:
Language is "never" larger than the individual!
But how can it not be? Can you say that there are no places where language is that you are not?
The language of the individual (at any moment) cannot be greater than the individual(granted by definition,) but surely the language per se is greater than any individual, being, as it is, a thing common to all. Do you see where we may be misunderstanding each other, and can you elaborate on that and your assertion?
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My assumption exactly. And the metaphor has now been extended to bulletin boards.
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One form of tat might be useless, rags, etc., but tat is a back form of tatting-- a form of lace making-- Cap't kiwi might know about it, since tatting is done with a shuttle, and has three basic forms, threads (straight pieces) loops, and mesh-- and tatted mesh is almost identical to "fish net"-- except the thread and mesh is much, much finer. but the mesh is formed the same way one makes a fish net. The threads are just a bit heaver than sewing thread-- silk buttonhole thread would be too thick-- and the mesh is very fine. but the process is the same.. Meshing is the hardest tatting to do, since you need to work with a shuttle not much thicker than a sewing needle. Thread and loops shuttles are small, about the size of a small/medium tube of women's lipstick and the size doesn't effect your work, but with mesh, the finer your shuttle the finer your mesh. So any of you guys who have ever repaired a fishing net--you know the basics of tatting. Thread and loop tatting is all done with hitches and half hitches, similar to netting.. but close together, in miniture, "picot's "(Pee co's) are created by leaving an excess of thread between stitches to form a single thread loop... when my son became a boy scout and had to learn knots--he was flabbergasted by how many i knew, and how fast i could tie them! (when i was totally crazy-- i tatted lace for a dolls underwear!--then i looked for something more productive to do with my time.. and took up computers. fine choice i made there!  curiously, bones knit -- but our threads cross, (so we are embroidering our language?) 
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We are both watching the same river from opposite banks. You assert the pure logic to prove my point (even though I reserve the reason for using quotes for the next response), and you claim, as did I, that it is within the context of all languages that one person's understanding of language resides. Language is always part of the individual who uses it, yet usually not part of how we understand it (with the happy  exception of what most seek to do so thorough a board such as this.) " ...is "never" larger than the individual". This is for the same reason that - when Billie Holiday starts singing, I will know it is her within a note or two!!! I whole heartedly assert that... per se
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I think I'm getting needled.  Every once in a while you have to break your thread, tie it off, and start again. (I see this "thread" throughout) I just got here..! I'm still spending the time it takes to at least patch the quilt on the worn side that is missing certain 'spec's. Yous guys already are efficient (or have learned what to ignore)...........I take that back! 
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HOT declares: Cap't kiwi might know about it, since tatting is done with a shuttle, and has three basic forms, threads (straight pieces) loops, and meshHelen, I'd love to know the logic that got you to the point where you decided I might know about it! But funnily enough - my dear old Mum taught us all, boys and girls, to knit, crochet and tat. If I'd shown the slightest interest, I'd probably also know how to operate a sewing machine, but I'm not as green as I'm cabbage-looking. As a matter of fact, I taught SWMBO the basics of tatting. But dolls' underwear?
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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as this is one of the [many] recurring themes hereabouts, I thought that the following might be of some interest to folks: [from alt.english.usage]
the the "hoi polloi" debate
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Yes, "hoi" means "the" in Greek, but the first 5 citations in the
OED, and the most famous use of this phrase in English (in Gilbert
and Sullivan's operetta _Iolanthe_), put "the" in front of "hoi".
This is not a unique case: words like "alchemy", "alcohol",
"algebra", "alligator", and "lacrosse" incorporate articles from
other languages, but can still be prefixed in English with "the".
"The El Alamein battle" (which occurred in Egypt during World War
II), sometimes proffered as a phrase with three articles, actually
contains only two: _alamein_ is Arabic for "two flags" (which is
appropriate for a town on the border between Egypt and Libya), and
does not contain the Arabic article _al_.
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