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totally off-off-off-topic: I never saw the schwa there; it's been 'ess aitch ay bee bee square ell you ell' from post one. I had assumed it was a Mac thang, but.
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Back on topic: shabbəlul spelled with a schwa (Unicode 0259) rather than a square box was typed by me on a Windoze machine, but it should show up on Macs and Unix boxes if they support Unicode. Your OS or browser may be too old. http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0250.pdf
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From Robert A. Hall Jr's book, Leave Your Language Alone!:
The situation with respect to spelling is much the same as it is with regard to "correct" speech in our society. In each case, an irrational, meaningless standard is set up as a shibboleth for people to conform to, which in many instances puts a premium on lack of realism and on unnaturalness in speech or its representation. In particular, our society's emphasis on trhe irregularities of English spelling has brought many of us to a point where we cannot distinguish between speech and writing, and where we cannot even conceive sounds as existing distinct from and prior to letters. Consequently, anyone who goes through our schooling system has to waste years of his life in aquiring a wasteful, and, in the long run, damaging set of spelling habits, thus ultimately unfitting himself to understand the nature of language, and its function unless he puts in extra effort to rid himself of all the misconceptions and prejudices that our system has foisted on him. [pp.45f.]
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Back on topic: shabb?lul spelled with a schwa (Unicode 0259)
ja, when nuncle writes it, I see the schwa, but when Faldage types it, I don't. not a biggie, just curious.
and when I copy it from jheem, it shows a ?... hmm. and if I change my view to Unicode, it makes no difference, I still see the ?
does Hall offer a solution to the educational dilemma?
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does Hall offer a solution to the educational dilemma?
Don't think so. Or not that I remember. I'm still re-reading it (first time was a long time ago).
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The situation with respect to spelling is much the same as it is with regard to "correct" speech in our society.
Can I correctly infer that Hall considers those people snobs who looked down their noses at GWB for enunciating nukUler. (If I recall ... and this has been a while, but I thought my all time favorite pres used to pronounce it the same way.)
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Can I correctly infer that Hall considers those people snobs who looked down their noses at GWB for enunciating nukUler.
Yup. So do one or two of the linguists over at the Language Log blog (Pullum at least, but maybe McWhorter, too). (Though they might not agree with Dubya's politics, they hardly agree with folks who abuse Bush for his idiolect.) One of them, Geoff Nunberg has written a book about it called Going Nucular: Language, Politics, and Culture in Controversial Times . But the president to use it before Dubya was, I believe, Ike. What Dubya has done is try hard not to speak like his New Englander father. (Personal disclosure: I liked the elder Bush's dialect better.)
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Hmmm ... and I thought it was Jimmy.
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Jimmy said nyu-kee-ur. The y-glide was relatively light.
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