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#134704 10/31/04 01:25 PM
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Check Google logo for today.
Trick or Treat!


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Shoot, I missed it!


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There's a Google archive of holiday banners - but I have it bookmarked on my home computer Maybe you can Google it!

Edit: http://www.google.com/holidaylogos.html

Doesn't look as if they have yesterday's logo posted yet.


Edit2: Now they do!

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How, pray tell, does one pronounce the name of the Celtic feast taken over by Hallowe'en? It is spelt Samhein and pronounced, I thought, SO-WEN. Is that correct? Help, Celts.




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I believe it's Samhain and pronounced sow (like the lady pig) wen (like the skin defect) or maybe sah-wen.


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now why in SamHill would they pronounce it that way?


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#134710 11/02/04 01:49 AM
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why in SamHIll

Cause that's the way it's spelled?


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well, wam-bam, thank you, man...




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#134712 11/02/04 03:25 AM
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why in sam hill? well every country/language gets to decide what sounds are represented by what letters.

Jose is pronounced HOsay not JOE's and no one says its wrong

and LL in spanish is not the same as LL in english ..US Represntiative Herman Badillo's name doesn't rhyme with brillo. (well, for political reasons, it did for a while in certain NY neighborhoods.. but it was intentionaly mis pronouunced to make it seem more italian, not hispanic early in his career)

the irish use the same alphabet as english and spanish.. (well almost! they don't use all 26 letters) and the sounds associated with each letter do not 'conform' to the sounds associated in english.


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>and the sounds associated with each letter do not 'conform' to the sounds associated in english.

All the more reason to adopt a nice, logical, strictly phonetic syllabary, such as devanagari.


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now why in SamHill would they pronounce it that way?

Because Gaelic uses a different orthography than English. The Celtic languages have a morphophonological process called mutation (or sometimes lenition). In the earlier native alphabet this was marked with a dot over the letter affected, but in mordern orthography this is marked with an aitch.

Here's a chart:

b ~ bh => /b/ ~ /w/
d ~ dh => /d/ ~ /ɣ/
g ~ gh => /g/ ~ /ɣ/
m ~ mh => /m/ ~ /w/
p ~ ph => /p/ ~ /f/

Somhain is accented on the second syllable. Hope that helps.



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All the more reason to adopt a nice, logical, strictly phonetic syllabary, such as devanagari.

While I am not a great fan of Gaelic orthography, it is better in its own way than something like English. Almost all languages differ from one another in regards to their phonological inventory.


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thank you all for your erudite discussion. next time I won't forget the smiley face wink tongue...

make me feel like Plutarch or sumpin'...




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#134717 11/06/04 10:38 PM
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I believe it's Samhain and pronounced sow (like the lady pig) wen (like the skin defect) or maybe sah-wen.

A little late coming into this thread but I thought I'd throw y hat in the ring since there was a call to the Celts.

You're almost right, Faldage. The spelling is Samhain and is pronounced Sa-wan with the a slightly lengthened like betwwen wan and wawn. The 'sa' sound is like 'sah' but more subtle and only slightly aspirated before moving onto the 'wan' part. It's almost like saying 'seven'. There's no major emphasis on either syllable.


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