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(Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it.)
Well I stand corrected! But it does make more sense when you examine the word "Logos" (from www.m-w.com):
1 : the divine wisdom manifest in the creation, government, and redemption of the world and often identified with the second person of the Trinity
2 : reason that in ancient Greek philosophy is the controlling principle in the universe
Perhaps the early Greek Christian authors naturally were adding Hellenistic philosophy to the monotheistic religion they had acquired.
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the second person of the Trinity
second "person"? Oh... maybe M-W is talking about grammar here.
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talking grammar??
the father, the son, and the holy spirit
--2nd person---^
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--2nd person---^
And the father, whose name is sometimes translated as "I am that I am."
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Can a real object "symbolize" another real object such as the natural association of Mount Fuji with the nation of Japan? If so then is "Mount Fuji" a word?
All these musings on whether a "word" which ordinary readers recognize as a "word" is actually a "word" are way over my head, but perhaps we have can agree that "Mt Fuji" is a word if it stands for "Japan" even if we can't agree that it is a word if it stands for Mt Fuji alone.
When "Mt Fuji" stands for "Japan", it is a synecdoche [defined as follows].
3 entries found for synecdoche.
syn·ec·do·che ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-nkd-k)
n.
A figure of speech in which a part is used for the whole (as hand for sailor), the whole for a part (as the law for police officer), the specific for the general (as cutthroat for assassin), the general for the specific (as thief for pickpocket), or the material for the thing made from it (as steel for sword).
If "Mt Fuji" standing alone [i.e. for itself] isn't a "word", what is it?
And why does this distinction matter if an ordinary reader understands precisely what we mean by this pairing of ... uh, palabras?
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... in ancient Greek philosophy is the controlling principle in the universe
Perhaps the early Greek Christian authors naturally were adding Hellenistic philosophy to the monotheistic religion they had acquired. - Alex Williams
I think you are right.
And why does this distinction matter if an ordinary reader understands precisely what we mean by this pairing of ... uh, palabras? - Wordminstrel
I'd say the distinction doesn't matter, Wordminstrel, for those who want to go through life as cattle; dimly munching their days away, never a contemplative thought about the nature of their existence.
By what you write here it is apparent that you have a clear, precise, well-ordered mind. Think of the thoughts that you could think if you could think in words that weren't so fuzzy.
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If "Mt Fuji" standing alone [i.e. for itself] isn't a "word", what is it?
I suppose this question might be relevant if we were talking about the word(s) mount and Fuji (or, for that matter, Fujiyama) and not the ding-an-sich.
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Exactly, Faldage. Your acute perception is worthy of a big ding of your own dong. 
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acute perception
Sometimes it's the job of a Fool to state the obvious.
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dimly munching their days away, never a contemplative thought about the nature of their existence
Pray tell, Amemeba, what contemplative reveries could be more bovine than musing on something which is utterly empty-headed?
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Sometimes it's the job of a Fool to state the obvious.
As you have just demonstrated, Faldage, with such charming innocence and ironic self-content, stating the obvious is not always the same thing as recognizing the obvious.
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Pray tell, Amemeba, what contemplative reveries could be more bovine than musing on something which is utterly empty-headed?Ah Ha! The Wordminstrel speaks of cows of a different kine! Cows and adolescents and beat poets don't speak in "words" they simply "Moo". Mooing, you see, serves them well in-as-much-as they have no need for sapient conversation. Their only need is to belong to the herd, or the coming generation, or the cognoscenti. A meaningless moo, properly mooed, will garner them membership in the desired in-group and the hip-group will answer back "Right-on", or "Cool" or "I herd that". But in great contrast, Wordminstrel, a few some of us aspire towards a much higher goal, namely, towards a more accurate understanding of the fundamental nature of words and their meanings. Through this understanding we hope to bring peace to all mankine. (or something like that.) Wanna join our happy group? Wanna stop being a word nerd who uses words like a knee-jerk robot that knows not well what the words mean? If you prove to have ears, Wordminstrel, I will be happy to share some of our dark word secrets.
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a few some of us aspire towards a much higher goal, namely, towards a more accurate understanding of the fundamental nature of words and their meanings.
Whatever "few" you have in mind, Amemeba, it would be better for everyone, not to mention your cause, if there were even fewer of them.
I fear the tinkers have mistook their tinking for thinking. As you yourself observed so insightfully, so recently [albeit more harshly than I myself would have put it]: "How does an ignorant person recognize a wise one?"
How can a cow which can only "moo" recognize the music in a voice, the poetry in a pasture?
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Hot diggedy dog, Wordminstrel, you lose! You resorted to name calling without also addressing the proposition at hand. It is good to win but somehow I feel cheapened. Like a small town tinkerer who has failed to help out a fellow man.  Edit Added: Darnit Wordminstrel, I think you added that last part about the poetry of a pasture after I replied. I think.
Non-the-less your non sequitur serves as a allusion to the point so I apologize. Damnit.
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I think you added that last part about the poetry of a pasture after I replied. I think.Let us just say we are on the same wave-length after all, Amemeba.
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Inasmuch as. Nonetheless. No hyphens.
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Ahbutyes, Nancyk, you digress. Who is the fool? Faldage? Wordminstrel? Other? _______________________________________________
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