| | 
 
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Carpal Tunnel |  
| Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 | 
A chum in West Seattle reports that his daughter bought a pair of scoodles -- dogs which are the product of crossing a Scottie with a poodle.  This seems (a) a terrible thing to do to either breed of dog and (b) a further pollution of the language with silly new words.  
 
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 | 
Well, hey, they're just dogs.  What worse could happen to them?  And you got something against portmanteau words?
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 | 
Ack--I can't decide if that's worse that peek-a-poo (sp?) or not.
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Carpal Tunnel |  
| Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 | 
Portmanteau words are useful, particularly if the coiner/user is attempting to be tongue-in-cheek funny, but less so in serious discourse.  The person who coined the synonym for them -- frankenword -- did a good thing.  
 
 
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 | 
tongue-in-cheek funny
 Keep your tongue firmly in your cheek next time there's a smog alert.
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Carpal Tunnel |  
| Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 | 
"Smog" is a good example of a Frankenword.  Others are "spork" (spoon + fork) meaning a runcible spoon and "skort" (skirt + shorts) meaning a wrap-around skirt with short legs.
 The problem with giving in to portmanteau words like "smog" is that it is a short slide down the slippery slope to words like "snizzle" (snow + drizzle) and "clumid" (cloudy + humid).
 
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Jul 2004 Posts: 72 journeyman |  
|   journeyman Joined:  Jul 2004 Posts: 72 | 
Snizzle?  OK, Father Snoop Dog.
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Aug 2002 Posts: 2,154 Pooh-Bah |  
|   Pooh-Bah Joined:  Aug 2002 Posts: 2,154 | 
There is also someone trying to get recognition for the "new breed" of Labradoodles.  Originally bred for the serious purpose of providing a guide dog for a woman with severe dog allergies since poodles are non allergenic. Hard to take seriously with that name though.  
 Some frankenwords do describe a combination of things that is different than the sum of its parts.  Like smog - it is neither smoke nor fog.  Brunch too is so much more than a combination of breakfast and lunch.  What I object to is the making up of cute combinations for things that don't need a word of there own.  A piece of bread and cheese at 3:30 is a snack not a lupper.
 
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Jul 2000 Posts: 3,467 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Jul 2000 Posts: 3,467 | 
One of the oldest breeds of dogs is the white dog with black spots bred for German stage performances.  The Dalmatian of Faust.
 
 
 TEd
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Carpal Tunnel |  
| Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 |  |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 | 
 formerly known as etaoin...
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Carpal Tunnel |  
| Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 | 
OK, Father Snoop Dog.
 That be Dogg with two g's, Home Skillet.
 
 
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 | 
 a short slide down the slippery slope
 You're using a logical fallacy to bolster your argument?
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Aug 2002 Posts: 2,154 Pooh-Bah |  
|   Pooh-Bah Joined:  Aug 2002 Posts: 2,154 | 
Besides snizzle is already a word.  It refers to those annoying sneezes that fizzle out halfway leaving you profoundly unsatisfied and twitching your nose like TV's Genie.
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Jan 2004 Posts: 1,475 veteran |  
|   veteran Joined:  Jan 2004 Posts: 1,475 | 
"Smog" is a good example of a Frankenword.
 Run away, run away: the word police is here. Smog, spork, and slithy are all perfectly good words. They've lived amongst us for years. Let's not turn them out because of the parentage.
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Dec 2000 Posts: 2,661 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Dec 2000 Posts: 2,661 | 
The problem with giving in to portmanteau words like "smog" is that it is a short slide down the slippery slope to... 
 I'm thinkin' it's being dragged up... like the beginning of a roller-coaster ride where *one has to be ratcheted up a chain.
 
 Kind-of-a "what goes up must come down" thang.
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 | 
Me and Justice Scalia
 Now you're trying to tempt me into another fallacy, some variety of ad hominem by association.
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Jan 2001 Posts: 428 addict |  
|   addict Joined:  Jan 2001 Posts: 428 | 
Goethe one, TEd.
 You owe me one keyboard, eta.
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Jan 2001 Posts: 428 addict |  
|   addict Joined:  Jan 2001 Posts: 428 | 
Hard to take seriously with that name though
 Ugh, don't get me started on these horrendous "new breed" names.  Some of the other offenders I've heard:
 
 Schnoodle = Schnauzer X Poodle
 Cockapoo = Cocker Spaniel X Poodle
 Yorkipoo = Yorkshire Terrier X Poodle
 Goldendoodle = Golden Retriever X Poodle
 
 We used to have a Labrador X Springer Spaniel (probably X a little something else), but we didn't call her a Labraniel, she was just a mutt.
 
 Although I just thought, perhaps a German Shepherd X Springer Spaniel could be called a "Jerry Springer"?
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 | 
Flat, are you and TEd in them?
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Sep 2000 Posts: 2,891 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Sep 2000 Posts: 2,891 | 
O.k., so what is this fascination with breeding poodles with other dogs?  Do they have special attributes that make them especially attractive to owners.  
 I very rarely see poodles so I can't imagine they'd be that popular versus other dogs.
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Jan 2004 Posts: 1,475 veteran |  
|   veteran Joined:  Jan 2004 Posts: 1,475 | 
so what is this fascination with breeding poodles with other dogs?
 I've heard they were originally bred by the French for hunting. They're supposed to be rather intelligent dogs. I think they just got a bad name from their silly haircuts. OTOH, nobdy ever made fun of the Mohawk to his face.
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 | 
And then there's the fact, mentioned above, that they don't readily cause/aggravate allergies, because they have hair, not fur. That's why they have to be trimmed.
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 | 
http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/poodle.cfmis the American Kennel Club standards for poodles. More than you want to know about the standards! Poodles have a coat that does not shed which great for people with allergies. Highly intelligent, they can take over if owners are not kind and consistant in training. Good watchdogs, family friendly, - not a dog to leave alone all day as they can become destructive if deprived of human companionship.  They are real people-dogs. Good water dogs  with gentle mouths, they have proven their worth in the field as water-bird retrievers. CAn be real clowns and love to entertain their owners. Benefit from consistant training as they learn very quickly but tend to forget fast,too which is why they are not used as seeing eye dogs - they learn quickly - for instance - to guide their person around an open manhole but then, one day, they decide it would be fun to just jump over the hole! Oooops!  They are often over-bred because of popularity so best to buy from a reputable breeder. Not cheap to buy or to keep. Their coats must be groomed regularly to avoid skin problems and that averages about $30 a month!  I have owned poodles - standard and mini - and they are great dogs!  |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Jan 2004 Posts: 1,475 veteran |  
|   veteran Joined:  Jan 2004 Posts: 1,475 | 
And then there's the fact, mentioned above, that they don't readily cause/aggravate allergies, because they have hair, not fur. That's why they have to be trimmed.
 Looking at a poodle and its haircut, I am confused how leaving half of its hair intact can have any impact on its alleged allergy aggravation, otherwise they'd be hairless like a chihuahua.
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 | 
Let me splain you, jheem. The haircuts have nothing to do with the allergy thang; what I meant was poodles have hair, which grows, and needs to be cut, unlike fur, which doesn't. Apparently hair isn't an allergen, while fur is.
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Nov 2002 Posts: 180 member |  
|   member Joined:  Nov 2002 Posts: 180 | 
"...twitching your nose like TV's Genie"
 That was actually Samantha in Bewitched.  Genie nodded her head sharply.  But I never watch TV...
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Jul 2000 Posts: 3,467 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Jul 2000 Posts: 3,467 | 
Remember, I did NOT start this whole thing!!
 Airedale + Malamute
 Airmal, litters that go first class
 
 Airedale + Spaniel
 Airiel, a dog that washes whiter than white
 
 Akita + Shiba Inu
 Shikita, a bright yellow, banana shaped dog
 
 Anatolian Karabash + Dalmation
 Anamation, a dog often spotted in the company of cartoonists
 
 Australian Silky + Bichon Frise
 Austrich, a dog which buries its head in the sand
 
 Basenji + Schipperke
 Baserke, a dog that's mad about its owner
 
 Basset Hound + Golden Retriever
 Golden Asset Retriever, a dog which tracks down and fetches things of value.
 
 Bearded Collie + Japanese Chin
 Bearded Chin, a dog that could do with a close shave
 
 Bichon Frise + Husky
 Frisky Bitch, known to her friends as Miss hot dog
 
 Bloodhound + Borzoi
 Bloody Bore, a dog that's not much fun
 
 Bloodhound + Labrador
 Blabador, a dog that barks incessantly
 
 Boxer + German Shorthair
 Boxer Shorts, a dog never seen in public
 
 Boxer + Setter
 Boxset, always sold in pairs and come in a collector's limited edition presentation pack
 
 Brussels Griffin + Labrador
 Griffindor, the ideal dog for Harry Potter
 
 Bull Mastiff + Whippet
 Bullet, a fast-moving dog which always makes a great impact
 
 Bull Terrier + Shih Tzu
 Bullshitz, a gregarious but unreliable breed
 
 Cairn Terrier + Jack Russell Terrier
 Cairjack, a dog who holds up your car when you change a flat tyre
 
 Canaan Dog + Poodle
 Canoodle, the perfect pooch for courting couples
 
 Chihuahua + Whippet
 Chiapet, as advertised on TV ...
 
 Chow Chow + Powder Puff Chinese Crested Dog
 Chowder, a dog from thick and hearty stock
 
 Cocker Spaniel + Maltese
 Cocktese, the bitch that says she will, but then she won't
 
 Cocker Spaniel + Shiba Inu
 Cockinu, what the philandering husband owns before acquiring a Cockrot
 
 Cocker Spaniel + Poodle
 Cockerpoo, a sulphur-crested dog ideal for parrot-lovers.
 
 Cocker Spaniel + Rottweiler
 Cockrot, the perfect puppy for that philandering ex-husband
 
 Collie + Husky
 Hussie, the perfect companion for the owner of a Cockrot
 
 Collie + Komondor
 Collandor, a dog full of holes
 
 Collie + Lhasa Apso
 Collapso, a dog that folds up for easy transport
 
 Collie + Malamute
 Commute, a dog that travels to work
 
 Collie + Thai Ridgeback
 Collar-and-Thai, a well dressed woofer
 
 Corgi + Basset Hound
 Corset, a pooch notable for its narrow waist and once popular with refined ladies
 
 Doberman + Poodle
 Doodle, a messy pup
 
 Dalmation + Puli
 Dali, a surreal hound
 
 Dingo + Maremma
 Dilemma, a dog which is always in two minds about everything (okay, so I had to cheat to get this one)
 
 Doberman + Poodle
 Doodle, a messy pup
 
 Duck Tolling Retriever + Corgi
 Ducki, a dog with camp behaviour
 
 Finnish Spitz + Dalmatian
 Spotz (cheating, but fun); or Spit-Spot - a dog for Mary Poppins
 
 French Poodle + Rhodesian Ridgeback
 Fridge, a really cool dog to have
 
 German Shepherd + Springer Spaniel
 Gerry Springer, cool-headed pooch for controlling talk show participants
 
 Golden Retriever + Wheaten Terrier
 Golden Wheat Retriever, a dog which fetches your breakfast
 
 Great Dane + Scottish Terrier
 A "Great Scott! How did they ever manage it?"
 
 Great Pyrenees + Dachshund
 Pyradachs, a puzzling breed
 
 Great Pyrenees + Jack Russell Terrier
 Pyrajacks, don't bet on 'em
 
 Greyhound + Skye Terrier
 Grey Skye, a dog for a rainy day which goes quickly
 
 Harrier + Pit Bull
 Hairy Pits, more common in Europe than in the USA
 
 Highland Terrier + Jack Russell Terrier
 Hijack, gets you in trouble on airplanes
 
 Irish Water Spaniel + English Springer Spaniel
 Irish Springer, a dog fresh and clean as a whistle
 
 Jack Russell Terrier + Labrador
 Jackdor, a breed to crow about?
 
 Japanese Chin + Collie
 Chillie, a dog that loves Mexican Food
 
 Japanese Chin + Mexican Hairless
 Chinless, a dog for civil servants, bureaucrats and other petty functionaries
 
 Japanese Tosa + Setter
 Toaster, a well bread dog which pops up when ready
 
 Keeshond + Setter
 Keester, you can't get this dog off its duff
 
 Kerry Blue Terrier + Bloodhound
 Blueblood, a dog of royal descent
 
 Kerry Blue Terrier + Golden Retriever
 Kerrygold, a dog which butters you up
 
 Kerry Blue Terrier + Skye Terrier
 Blue Skye, a dog for visionaries
 
 Kuvasz + Golden Retriever
 Kuvasz Gold
 
 Labrador + Elkhound
 Label, the dog you can stick anywhere
 
 Labrador Retriever + Curly Coated Retriever
 Lab Coat Retriever, the choice of research scientists
 
 Malamute + Pointer
 Moot Point, owned by....oh, well, it doesn’t matter anyway
 
 Mastiff + Spaniel
 Maniel, a dog which comes with its own user guide
 
 Mastiff + Staffordshire Bull Terrier
 Stiff Staff, an upstanding member in canine society
 
 Newfoundland + Basset Hound
 Newfound Asset Hound, a dog for financial advisors
 
 Papillon + Cocker Spaniel
 Papicock, a dog that talks arrant nonsense
 
 Pekingese + Dachshund
 Peking Dach, owned by Chinese restauranteurs
 
 Pekingese + King Charles Spaniel
 Peeking, a shifty-looking dog with excellent corner-of-eye vision
 
 Pekingese + Lhasa Apso
 Peekasso, an abstract dog
 
 Pekinese + Rottweiler
 Parrot, repeats everything you say
 
 Plott Hound + Setter
 Plotter, a dog which keeps shady company and makes plans behind your back.
 
 Pointer + Setter
 Poinsetter, a traditional Christmas pet
 
 Pomeranian + Komondor
 Pomandor, no more doggy odour with this sweet smelling mutt!
 
 Pomeranian + Shar Pei
 Pompei, the perfect pooch for scholars of classical history and vulcanology
 
 Poodle + Chinese Foo
 Poo-Foo, suffers from frequent diarrhoea
 
 Poodle + Great Pyrenees
 Poopyree, a dog that smells good
 
 Portuguese Water Dog + Thai Ridgeback
 Porridge, the perfect pooch for someone serving time
 
 Puli + Foxhound
 Poxhound, a dishevelled, disease-ridden dog which spreads illness wherever it goes
 
 Puli + Saluki
 Puki, a dog renowned for its vomiting
 
 Pyrenees + Akita
 Pyrakita, a dog for the budgerigar fan (related to the Cockerpoo)
 
 Rottweiler + Otterhound
 Rotter, canine companion for the cads, bounders and unfaithful men
 
 Samoyed + Japanese Tosa
 A Samosa that really bites back.
 
 Samoyed + Norwich Terrier
 Samwich, bread to perfection
 
 Scotch Terrier + Water Spaniel
 Scotch & Water, served throughout England (as opposed to watered scotch, served throughout the USA)
 
 Shih Tzu + Saluki
 Suzuki, goes for miles on a single tank of fuel
 
 Shih Tzu + Spitz
 Shitz, a dog with an incontinence problem
 
 Smooth Fox Terrier + Chow Chow
 Smooch, a dog who loves to kiss
 
 Spaniel + Dachshund
 Spandachs, in gyms everywhere
 
 Spitz + Bloodhound
 Spitz Blood, a dog prone to extreme anger when provoked
 
 Spitz + Chow Chow
 Spitz Chow, a dog that throws up a lot
 
 Springer + Spitz
 Spritzer, a dog with a sparkling whine
 
 Sussex Spaniel + Cocker Spaniel
 Sucker, a mutt that believes everything it's told.
 
 Terrier + Bulldog
 Terribull, a dog that makes awful mistakes
 
 Tibetan Terrier + Brussels Griffin
 Tiffin, a dog which always stops for tea
 
 Treeing Walker Coonhound + Chesapeake Bay Retriever
 Bay Tree Retriever, a dog owned by horticulturalists and garden centres
 
 Wiener Dog + Rottweiler
 (Okay, so this is really cheating!) Bratweiler, a German dog found at the snack bars at sporting events
 
 Wirehaired Dachshund + Mexican Hairless
 Wireless, an entertaining dog popular in households with no TV
 
 Whippet + Husky
 Whisky, the perfect pooch for someone who likes a tipple.
 
 Whippet + Norwegian Elkhound
 Whelkhound - the fisherman's friend!
 
 Whippet + Retriever
 Whip Retriever, the choice canine for the dominatrix
 
 
 
 
 
 TEd
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 Carpal Tunnel |  
| Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Sep 2000 Posts: 2,788 | 
Remember, I did NOT start this whole thing!!
 
 
 How, again, does one put the genie back in the bottle?
 
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Jan 2004 Posts: 1,475 veteran |  
|   veteran Joined:  Jan 2004 Posts: 1,475 | 
Let me splain you, jheem. The haircuts have nothing to do with the allergy thang; what I meant was poodles have hair, which grows, and needs to be cut, unlike fur, which doesn't. Apparently hair isn't an allergen, while fur is.
 My head is spinning. I must needs look into this. Sounds fishy to me.
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Aug 2002 Posts: 2,154 Pooh-Bah |  
|   Pooh-Bah Joined:  Aug 2002 Posts: 2,154 | 
Remember, I did NOT start this whole thing!!
 Thank you, TEd.  That laugh (plus assorted snorting and giggling) was worth coming to work for!!
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 | 
jheem is correct about dander (discarded skin) being the real problem. (take it from someone who was once allergic to nearly *everything.) the onliest relation to pet hair (and its length) is that long-hair pets which run around outside tend to collect other allergens such as grasses, molds and pollen.
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 | 
I allus understood that it isn't even the dander, it's the saliva of the mites that live in the dander.
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Aug 2002 Posts: 2,154 Pooh-Bah |  
|   Pooh-Bah Joined:  Aug 2002 Posts: 2,154 | 
I allus understood that it isn't even the dander, it's the saliva of the mites that live in the dander.BLEAH    strangest mix I have seen was Sparky who looked like a   a black lab lying by the couch.  Then he started moving and I realized that he had actually been standing up.  Somebody's black lab had escaped and met a beagle.  The result was a slightly overweight, extra-droopy black lab with 3 inch legs.   |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 | 
Scoodles is starting to look like it should mean lots and lots, as in "I met this really dreamy Dr. and he's just got scoodles of money."
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 | 
"I met this really dreamy Dr. and he's just got scoodles of money."     |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Jan 2004 Posts: 1,475 veteran |  
|   veteran Joined:  Jan 2004 Posts: 1,475 | 
scoodles of money
 Scary oodles of moolah? Mooscaoodles.
 
 
 |  |  |  
| 
| 
|  |  
| 
Joined:  Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 Carpal Tunnel |  
|   Carpal Tunnel Joined:  Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 | 
Oh, Ted !    |  |  |  
 | 
 |