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#12976 12/16/00 03:26 PM
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We are close to Christmas and to the end of the year.
I want to express to everyone how much I am grateful to Anu and to each one of you all, for giving - every day - something new: a word, a play on words, a new idea to think at...
So I would like to say to everyone
BUON NATALE E FELICE ANNO NUOVO = (Have a ) good Christmas and a happy new year
Emanuela



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Many happy returns to you too, emanuela. How very nice of you to think of us all.

If you have a minute on Christmas eve do not forget poor lukaszd who is obliged to work that night. I must calculate what his time is (Poland) relative to mine (Canada) as I don’t want to be logging on to AWAD to wish him good cheer, only to find that it is way past Christmas eve on his side and he has passed it all alone.



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Grazie [sp?] Emanuela, and Christmas Greetings to you too and to all A Word A Dayers and, especially, Anu. Hasn't this been a wonderful year for us all -- finding friendship and fun with words.

I'll be away from my computer for a week over Christmas but will be keen to return to a board full of posts and Christmas cheer.


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I'll be away from my computer for a week over Christmas but will be keen to return to a board full of posts and Christmas cheer.

I'm hoping that enough of us are busy during Christmas that there won't be a copious amount of posts when we come back.


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To all of you who have helped to make my life richer and sligtly more bearable; for all of the posts, public and private, that have brightened the day; for all of you who have been tolerant of my rants and rages:

A VERY BIG THANK YOU
especially to Anu,

and all the best to you all for this merry season of Yuletide, when the Earth and all things on it renew themselves. May the coming year bring all of you and all of yours happiness and fulfilment -

and may the inventiveness and drollery that illuminates this board continue to enrich the English language, whatever version you use!

RhubarbCommando


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Bless your sweet heart, Emanuela, for wishing us all a "buon Natale" and a "felice Anno Nuovo." You took a little risk in doing so. In the United States, there is a sense that it is no longer politically correct to wish anyone a "Merry Christmas" for fear that the person addressed may be Jewish or Muslim or Druid and find the distinctly Christian greeting grounds for offense. I have never known a Jew or Muslim or Druid who actually was offended by being wished a "Merry Christmas" but the mere hypothetical possibility that some Jew or Muslim or Druid exists somewhere who might be offended is enough to move the forces of political correctness into high gear. Thus there is a deluge of "new" Christmas cards which contain expressions like "Happy Holidays" or "Best of the Season."

I join Emanuela in wishing you all (Jews, Muslims and Druids included) a happy Christmastide.





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Father Steve says:I join Emanuela in wishing you all (Jews, Muslims and Druids included) a happy Christmastide.

As a non-liturgical Pagan I would like to thank Father Steve for his kind wishes but I can't resist reminding him that the holiday is, despite its Christian name, Pagan in origin. (We got back with Easter, which has Christian and Pagan roots and, in English speaking countries at least, a Pagan name.)

That irregardless, I wish to extend my greetings to all for a joyous Yule.


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I'm an atheist and independently of that I despise Christmas, but I always say "Merry Christmas" to Americans out of sheer bloody-mindedness.


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>That irregardless, I wish to extend my greetings to all for a joyous Yule.

I echo the Noel wishes (but see the link, Faldage)!

http://wordsmith.org/board/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=words&Number=2940


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Cyfarchion y Nadolig a Dymuniadau Gorau am y Flwyddyn Newydd, pobl!

and as I shall be taking off for a couple of weeks, I suspect I shall be forced to miss nearly 2,000 posts of combined wisdom and inanity at today's extraordinary rate!

Have a wonderful time with whomever and however suits your style. Because irrespective ( tsuwm) of the trappings, this time of year is surely about the fundamentals of animal and plant life on this planet - it is about renewal.

Look forward to talking to all of you next year in friendly discourse.


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Cyfarchion y Nadolig a Dymuniadau Gorau am y Flwyddyn Newydd, pobl!

I am working on my English, BUT you are asking TOOOOOO much!
I guess ?? that it is something from Wales?
Can anyone - please - give a translation ?
Emanuela


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Sorry, emanuela! Yes, it is Welsh (which, the Welsh will tell anyone who stands still for long enough, is "one of the oldest languages currently in use in the world", etc, etc).

It renders:
Christmas Greetings and Best Wishes for the New Year

With that to work towards, despite the oddness of the look, you may be able to see some connections with Romanace languages - for example, Nadolig?

I wish you all peace, and love of friends and family.


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Teacher: TEd, can you make a sentence with meretricious in it?

TEd: Yes, teacher. Have a meretricious and a happy new year!

Teacher: TEd, you are going to receive a VERY long sentence someday. Probably from (gosh who was it, Bingley??)



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Merries and happies to all of you. Though I've been a week away from this illustrious group, and face nearly a thousand unread posts, coming here kinda feels like coming home (y'all will excuse this rare departure into sentimentalism).

So off to start combing threads.

P.S. The solstice is nigh and I for one will be glad to have it arrive.


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The solstice is nigh and I for one will be glad to have it arrive

Auntie, never was a truer word spake!

Hey folks, I can't be around even a tiny percentage as much as I'd like to be at the moment, but here's an appallingly long, ungrammatical sentence that contains oodles of good wishes for the festive season and beyond. So get to it!

Words are great, but booze/food/good company/bad company* is best.

Fisk

(* delete as appropriate)
(* insert as appropriate)

P.S. Thanks emanuela for starting this thread - just what we all needed.




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In reply to:

I'm an atheist and independently of that I despise Christmas,


I guess that makes you Old Nick rather than Saint Nick then? Just kidding. I'm not an atheist, but it is nice to hear from someone else who despises Christmas. That said, I hope everybody enjoys their holiday season. Noho ora mai, ka kite ano


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> I despise Christmas<
And greet Americans with Merry Christmas? I love to quote Dickens--"Bah, humbug"

I don't quite hate christmas, but its not one of favorite times of the year.
I hope you get what you desire for christmas--
Shona's idea of good food/good company/ good booze sound about right-- (only i think i fall into the category of bad company--you know what they say
Good girls get to go to heaven,
and bad girls get to go everywhere else!
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but a happy new year to all!


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Not wanting to be politically, religiously or anything elsely incorrect, I'll confine myself to "Season's Greetings" to you all. I haven't been around long, but I love it!

Ah well, off to throw another raw prawn on the barbie. Any Oz volunteers paulb? Either or both of the Waughs, for instance ...

CK



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Best to all.

shanks (atheist and dislikes turkey, but thoroughly enjoys the James Bond movie on ITV - and anyway thinks he might get Turkey Tikka Masala for Christmas lunch this time. Hooray!)


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>Good girls get to go to heaven,
and bad girls get to go everywhere else!)

So what are you doing New Years Eve?

TEd
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Aren't you married?-- or is Peggy into threesomes? nevermind--don't answer that! Denver is to far away, anyway.
Not sure about this year--I usually spend New Year's with friends.. One year on top of Empire State building-- so much better than times square. Last year at friends place--in Queens-- he had view of East river fireworks, and one of the old worlds fair ground--more fireworks.(Flushing Meadows Park)

Had some nice champaine--popped the cork just as the ball fell. (and some cheap stuff for mimosa's at brunch) Pretty low key-- just four of us-- we had gone out to dinner earlier in the evening..

It might be my place this year-- and i'll burn the last of my good oak-- once its gone, i will only have maple, unless some one in the neighborhood cuts down an oak-- and it will still be years before it dries out enough for me to split.
Its nice to be all cozy around a fire, drink in hand.. (and to avoid all the crazies on the road.)


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This got sent to me, and i thought some, if not all of you might enjoy....

NORAD Tracking Santa on Christmas Eve

NORAD is preparing to launch its 46th annual "NORAD Tracks Santa"
program this week to aid Santa-watchers around the globe. Air Force
Print News reports that the program features a six-language, live-
tracking Web site which will present visual and audio updates hourly
from midnight EST, Dec. 23 to 5 a.m. EST, Dec. 25. NORAD will track
Santa using digital animation, satellite/cockpit images, and audio
reports from the NORAD command center. All Web site material, including
the live-tracking event, will be available in English, Japanese,
French, Spanish, Italian, and Brazilian Portuguese. The Santa telephone
hotline at (719) 474-3980 will also be available to Santa enthusiasts
after 4p.m. Dec. 24. NORAD is the bi-national United States/Canadian
organization charged with maintaining aerospace warning and control for
North America. The organizations and volunteers who help make this
global Christmas project possible do so at no cost to the taxpayer.
The 2000 NORAD Tracking Santa Web site is athttp://
<http://www.noradsanta.org/> http://www.noradsanta.org/
. Last year, the
Web site took 52 million
hits on Christmas Eve alone, peaking at 250,000 hits per minute.


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In case I don't see you all again before the big days:

Selamat Hari Natal 2000

Selamat Idul Fitri 1421H

Selamat Tahun Baru 2001


Also Mohon maaf lahir batin

which is an Indonesian expression meaning I beg your forgiveness body and soul (for all the wrong I have done you or offence I have caused you over the last year).

Bingley


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I have been trying and trying to think what to say here.
I know some people have already begun their break in routine and won't be able to get on-line until after New
Year's--sorry I took so long--hope you know I'm wishing you well.

There doesn't seem to be anywhere in the modernized world that Christmas doesn't have a large impact. I notice that several non-Christians have special plans at this time--
traveling to be with family, notably.

I hope that everyone has a great week, wherever they are
and however they are affected by Christmas. I do feel free
to wish every one of you a Happy New Year. There is so
much love here--to copy Jo, I love ya all! And, to copy Bingley (t.k.), Mohon maaf lahir batin .




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It would appear, from the lack of postings to this board, that the atheists, the non-liturgical pagans and even the bloody-minded are all about something other than this pursuit. May they find it enjoyable and fulfilling, while the rest of us celebrate Christmas.




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It would appear, from the lack of postings to this board, that the atheists, the non-liturgical pagans and even the bloody-minded are all about something other than this pursuit. May they find it enjoyable and fulfilling, while the rest of us celebrate Christmas.

Christmas, in some form or another, seems to be celebrated everywhere, Father Steve. One of the most enthusiastic countries I've ever seen is Thailand, not notable for its large base of Christian believers. Anyway, have a good one.



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Season's greetings to you all from me.

(and seasonable greetings to you all from 'nigma)


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merry christmas, from all the gang

tsuwm
joe friday
ron obvious
and michael


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One who was to me as dead, has come back to "life".
Hallelujah! Rejoice!


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Hi all,

Christmas in my family is a time to celebrate love, family and friends. I did not want to miss out on celebrating those whose friendship I have come to appreciate and enjoy so I decided to take a little break from the preparations for my réveillon and wish you all the very best, with wishes of happiness for all.

I'll be raising a toast to you all tonight.


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Réveillon

"This nocturnal meal, eaten after the Midnight Mass in France and Canada, originally consisted of a simple snack of biscuits or a piece of tourtière, along with a hot drink. With the years, this snack has been transformed little by little into a more lavish and elaborate meal. The same dishes that are served at Christmas dinner are also served at réveillon, which is essentially limited to family.

In Canada, the custom of Christmas réveillon varies depending on the family, the period and the cultural context.

For Francophones living largely in rural areas, Christmas réveillon was not known until the 1930s when family festivities began to take shape with the commercialization of the holiday season.

For Anglophones and city dwellers, on the other hand, Christmas réveillon began to be part of family celebrations much earlier, around 1875. The tendency to feast on Christmas Eve became more and more pronounced with the custom of the decorated tree and the exchange of presents."






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Fascinating, Father Steve. While Brazilians, like their French cousins, celebrate Christmas with a feast on the eve, the word "réveillon" to them means New Year's Eve.


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Well, here you all are! I wanted to send a bit of cheer and parent-ly advice and so my note is in miscellany!
But good wishes can never be sent too often. So here they are with a special wish for a happy day to emanuella.
Ramadan just ended, Hanukkah is in progress, the winter solstice is being celebrated and we start the 12 days of Christmas today. Surely there must be some wonderfulness going on in Asian countries, too! So one way or another, I wish you all peace and joy and the love of friends and family. To all AWADtalk members, especially, a heartfelt Thank You from me for your kindness, patience and genial collegiality in accepting my posts. Oh, and I really really really do thank you for the laughs along the way. There is a special place in heaven for those who make others laugh and see the absurdity in life.
I'm getting too too sentimental.
For all those "bah humbug" folk ... have a great day if for no other reason than that you have a paid day off!
Merry Christmastide
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As the old pagan holiday season churns ever onward.

Yes, I celebrate, as do many non-liturgical Christians and Jews, the major holidays. Mostly it's the cross-quarter days, GroundFrog Day, May Day, NoName Day and Hollow(sic)een, but Easter (named after the German Goddess) and Yule are up there.


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After six months AWOL I come here late to wish you all a merry Christmas, anyway, I can wish you a happy new year in time. At least to those who use the Gregorian calendar. To the rest, congratulations for you have been spared of the new millennium hype.
This year has been a great one for me and I would like to thank everyone on this forum. Without you it wouldn’t have been the same!.


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Thirty years ago -so old am I?- “reveillón” was a common word in Spain and, as in Brazil, we used it for the new year eve celebrations.
Nowadays we have substituted “reveillón” by “cotillón” which is of French origin too.


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It strikes me that, in the United States, the secular holidays are those created, endorsed and promoted by such enterprises as Hallmark Greeting Cards, which market moves are promptly seconded by florists, retailers, candy makers and the like. At one time, Holy Mother Church thought herself to have the power to create and declare holidays. Later, here in the Colonies, at least, the Congress thought itself to have this power. Now, the source of true power is disclosed.




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Hallmark! At last, the true culprit is exposed. I've always rather fancied the World Congress of Hungry Retailers myself, but it's natural that there'd be a ringleader. Thanks, Dad.



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Hallmark and its incubi and succubi
Of course, where Hallmark leads, the retailers are not slow to follow. In the contemporary U.S., Halloween is fast becoming more and more a major holiday. People put strings of orange lights on their houses, along with lighted life-size decorations on their lawns the way they do Christmas creches. If there were a modern Clement Clark Moore to invent a personification for Halloween, it would soon rival Christmas as a popular holiday and a retailer's bonanza.


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Litery sleuth Don Foster casts doubts on C.C. Moore's authorship:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0805063579/o/qid=978112202/sr=2-1/107-3218140-7500504


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Juan Maria, I've missed you. Tenho saudades. Welcome back.

P.S. In the U.S. south a cotillion is a debutante dance.


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Halloween was always an "American" thing in NZ when I was a kid. No one quite understood it - even the Peanuts "Great Pumpkin" references weren't easy to follow. Why would anyone sit in the pumpkin patch? What was funny about it?

Over the past few years, however, it's caught on, and now we get gangs of rapacious trick or treaters roaming the streets terrorising the young and old alike and demanding treats (tricks don't fill the loot bag) on All Hallows Eve. Most older people wish that they were dead, or at least elsewhere or otherwhere..

Where's Sarah Michelle Gellar when we all need her?

Kids understand consumerism, not mysticism.



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Cap K remarks: (tricks don't fill the loot bag)

The tricks referred to were always something of a veiled threat. Give us treats or we'll pull a trick on you. The trick, in its mildest form would be something like soaping your windows or other acts of soft vandalism and could escalate to the old favorite of filling a paper bag with used dog food, lighting it on fire ringing your doorbell and running. Tossing rotten eggs at your house was another favorite.


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The trick ... acts of soft vandalism ... could escalate

In rural areas, the escalated trick was to tip over the outhouse, leaving an unpleasant task for the privy owner to accomplish on the Feast of All Saints.



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Faldage wrote : acts of soft vandalism and could escalate to the old favorite of filling a paper bag with used dog food, lighting it on fire ringing your doorbell and running.
I have heard of the nastier trick -- the bag is filled with animal "poop" so when the householder stamps on the fire to put it out ..... well... you get the idea.



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you haven't lived until your tin can trip wire snares the local constabulary's vehicle -- what a treat.

"Do you know anything about these tin cans?" "What wire, officer?"


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Why tsuwm, I am aghast! Here I thought you were all straight and proper – the picture of the perfect gentleman. Don’t tell me that in your youth you were a little pest.


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Faldage wrote : acts of soft vandalism and could escalate to the old favorite of filling a paper bag with used dog food, lighting it on fire ringing your doorbell and running.

I have heard of the nastier trick -- the bag is filled with animal "poop" so when the householder stamps on the fire to put it out ..... well... you get the idea.


I think he meant the same thing. He was just using a subtle euphemism. And a very clever one, I might add. Dog food that's used tends to go through the whole cycle.


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Dog food that's used tends to go through the whole cycle.

Ow-ooo!!

Juanmaria!!!! I just noticed your posts! Oh, Honey, I'm so glad to see that! Oh, I hope you can stay this time!!!




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In NY, the soft acts featured shaving creme-- the nozzle on the can was reshaped with a hot pip, so you could send out a stream, and hit a target 6 to 10 feet away-- Not too mean a trick-- you ended up with a "clean door" covered in soapy foam.

If you were nasty to kids, and didn't have treats something worse awaited-- Like Faldage "stink bombs" which where not unknown-- or worse-- you got oiled-- your door and threshold got coated with oil or grease-- and un wise step could send you flying-- your doorknob and jam would be greased too, so if you started to slip-- anything you grabbed for would be slippy too.

Some kids used eggs-- but if i ever got caugth with an egg, i would have missed halloween fun for years...

Chalk (big 6 inch by 1 sticks) would be put into the toe of an old sock, and beaten against the sidewalk till it was dust- and then people and property hit with it and dusted in chalk dust-- It was really vicious-- it was like being hit with a black jack-- and you got covered in a cloud of chalk dust..

halloween is not so much american as pagan irish-- it was always big in our house, and neighborhood. we always had really good costumes, one year i was a fairy pricess with yards and yards of tulle, an other year a Dale Evan's type cowgirl, with a leather vest, and flair skirt, and a six shooter!

Halloween is much more commerical now, and the costumes are all commercial.. very few kids have home made interesting costumes, they are all popular comic character of the day-- two year ago i had a steady parade of "Little Mermaid's" -- all in the same outfit-- in NY gay community has reshaped the holiday too-- so it is very different than it was 30-40 years ago..


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It was in, oh, about 5th, 6th grade (10-11 yo [Yoder? Where, pray tell, my dear Ænigma, did you find Yoder?]). My costume was a cat suit. The tail fell off during the school parade about the neighborhood and I spent the rest of the parade time asking people if they knew where there was a retail store. Obviously an early sign of depravity.


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a cat suit...... Obviously an early sign of depravity.


i'll say-- cross dressing at such an early age! Is this still a hobby? No wait-- I don't think i want to know the answer-- Only a very young and sleek body looks good in a cat suit-- like a birthday suit, its show age rapidly... you might have made a wonderful cat-- but its not very often you see a male in a cat suit-- i don't think Fredrick's of Hollywood offers them in their catalog... maybe i am just looking in the wrong places..


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trick or treaters


Here's a peculiar word for you. My father, a native of Reading PA, which is in Berks Co. PA and in the heart of the Pennsylvania Dutch country, used the word belschnickel for trick-or-treater. This was the old Pa-Dutch word. I have no idea of the derivation.


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Halloween costumes
One of our sons attended kindergarten at a school with a lot of trees around it, including osage orange trees. The osage orange produces fruit in autumn which fall on the ground, right in time for Halloween, about the size of a grapefruit, light green with a wrinkled, convoluted skin. We dressed up the kid in an old scrubsuit, cap and mask (my wife is a nurse and brought a set home from the hospital where she was working), gave him an imitation scalpel and an osage orange fruit and he went out as Dr. Frankenstein carrying this "brain". It was a tremendous hit. To this day, we refer to osage orange trees as "brain trees."


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>I spent the rest of the parade time asking people if they knew where there was a retail store. Obviously an early sign of depravity.

Brings back memories. I was a cat once, and got caught in my dad's lawnmower. He had me going around to all the houses asking for a piece of tail.

Depravity is apparently hereditary!




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Oh TEd, I nearly choked on that one. I thought your were going to say a piece of p...y.

Boy, you gents are sure taking up the gutter-snipe baton while Jackie is away


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Is it significant that our favourite gutter-dweller went to D.C.? Political centres often seem to be little more than giant gutters, n'est-ce pas?


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She went to refresh the gutter batteries and plot schemes for the wider dispersal of sewers ...



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This thread started out as Christmas wishes, and has moved on to Halloween--

There are way to many computer nerd on the board-evidently since all the old time computer nerds (or even new nerds in Unix) have the problem of confusing Halloween and Christmas--

after all Oct(al)31 = Dec(imal)25!

all you non-math, non computer nerds just ignore... Not everyone enjoys a really good math joke...


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>>>new nerds in Unix
after all Oct(al)31 = Dec(imal)25! <<<

my husband wishes for me to point out that new Unix nerds speak hex(adecimal) not oct(al). yes, we liked your joke.


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My father, a native of Reading PA, which is in Berks Co. PA


My parents also live in Reading, Berks., but in England. Is the Pennsylvania one also pronounced Redding?

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Is the Pennsylvania one also pronounced Redding?

Yep. My college roommate's from PA. I never did like that
pronunciation. Everybody knows that in Monopoly, it's the
Reeding Railroad!




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Not on my Monopoly board it wasn't. We had Marylebone, King's Cross, Liverpool Street, and Fenchurch Street.

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Really Bingley. Did they also change the names of the places like Park Place et al?


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There was a Park Lane (the second highest rents if I remember rightly) but no Park Place.

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Top o' the mornin' to you, Bel. Parker Bros. had licensed each country to make its own Monopoly® board - For many decades, NZ used the UK edition. I, like a lot of other Kiwis, grew up thinking that the UK set was the original, I was about 25 when I learned that the original was modelled on Atlantic City, NJ. The New Zealand edition features streets and railway stations from around the country, rather than just one city, one of them being a Marine Parade from a city 18km from where I live.


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I note the discussion on the various versions of Monopoly. I think it is good that there are now versions for major cities although I'm not convinced by the special edition versions such as "Rugby World Cup 1999 Monopoly" which was sold in Edinburgh last year. I'm sure that London will hate the diversification in the UK (the places on the board became tourist attractions). It was a major ambition of mine and many other British children) to see places like Park Lane and Mayfair. I still go out of my way to go through Marylebone Station if I get a chance!

I am fairly sure that the London version of Monopoly has been made by Waddingtons since 1934/35 but I also spotted this press release from Hasbro (who took over Parker Brothers), claiming that they "swapped" the UK rights for Monopoly for the USA rights to Cluedo sometime after 1949: http://www.hasbro.co.uk/corporatePR/corporatePRcontent.asp?articleType=ARTICLE&PRID=7

The origin of the game of Monopoly was the subject of a long running disagreement with a friend from the USA, before the days when we could surf the internet for (mis)information. We were all convinced that the UK version must be the original until she pointed out that the American game was set in Atlantic City - she claimed that if it had been an adaptation then surely it would have been a major city like New York or San Francisco - she won!


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Our family tried the game, but ended up renaming it "Monotony". I've never understood the appeal, except for the really rich who use legal tender to play it.

Incidently, for non-Londoners, it might help if I point out that Marylebone Station is out of the way for everybody unless they live in Marlow or Beaconsfield (pronounced "Beck - - ")


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Two of the places on the London board are not streets, Mayfair and Angel Islington: just in case any of you come over from Australia or NZ wanting to tour them. (Apparently it's virtually impossible to do the tour in a single day.)


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(Apparently it's virtually impossible to do the tour in a single day.)

This is a reflection on the state of London's transport chaos - it used to be quite feasible (if exhausting) mostly using the Tube - - it was considered cheating if you did not get off the train and go up to street level!


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>Our family tried the game, but ended up renaming it "Monotony". I've never understood the appeal...

first you get into the art of the shady deal, then you bend a rule or two -- soon you have chaos, just like real Capitalism!


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Everybody knows (???!!!)


The hell they do. Since the Reading RR has its HQ in Reading PA, it's pronounced the same as the city (Redding). Pennsylvanians always pitied those who were so ignorant they didn't know this.


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"Everybody knows..."

Figured that would get a rise out of somebody! My Pennsylvanian college roommate was always correcting me
vehemently on that. I kept telling her that it wasn't my
fault that Pennsylvanians couldn't pronounce things right.


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Nicholasw pointed that Two of the places on the London board are not streets, Mayfair and Angel Islington:

I saw an interesting drama series on TV where The Angel Islington was a person, an angel. It was set in a sort of alternate London, very interesting stuff, IMO.


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Was it called "Neverwhere" with Peter Capaldi as the angel?
I saw a little of it. It looked interesting.


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Was it called "Neverwhere" with Peter Capaldi as the angel?

Yes it was, and one of the key settings was Battersea Power Station, made famous from the cover of Pink Floyd's Animals LP (for non-Floydians, it came after Wish you were here and before The Wall - approx 1976).

But the series was truly dire, I'm sorry to say. The premise was marginally interesting, but the plotting, dialogue and characterisation were awful. I truly wanted it to be good, so watched much of it, but it just couldn't cope...

cheer

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Shanks insisted But the series was truly dire, I'm sorry to say.

Just the sort of poor taste and lack of discernment one expects to find built into the genome of a Spurs fan!

I enjoyed what I saw of it, but your post made me think about it, and I realised that much of what you said would explain why I found myself flicking away a lot. I do think though, that the basic premise was more than marginally interesting. So I guess, you blackheart from White Hart, that I won't be calling you out over this. No kukri at dawn - this time!


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shanks: one of the key settings was Battersea Power Station

Well, they won't be doing that again, will they?

Max: No kukri at dawn - this time!

1. Is the maudlin Mumbaikar also a Ghurka?

2. I've haven't even thought about khukris for years - then a friend of mine brings one back from Nepal as a gift and you mention the knife, in the same week, on the board. I'm becoming a bit paranoid.



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Just the sort of poor taste and lack of discernment one expects to find built into the genome of a Spurs fan!
Hey!! Just watch your language down there!
I stopped watching football when I realised that there would never be an improvement on the skills of Alf Ramsey, Lou Macari or Danny Blanchflower. The absolute pinnacle of brilliant foorball was acheived during those wonderful years - other teams also did very well, but Spurs were supreme.

And this has nothing whatever to do with how many games were won or lost, it is all to do with the spirit of the game.


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shanks: one of the key settings was Battersea Power Station

Well, they won't be doing that again, will they?

Actually, Cirque du soleil have set up there, and are rumoured to be considering making it their 'permanent' location (from which, no doubt, they will be flinging genetically modified human hoops to all corners of the globe). Actually, the power station hasn't been functioning for yonks (decades even?) and only an unsafe outer shell remains: hence the lack of development - the shell is listed, I think, but unusable.

1. No, the lascivious Londoner is more merry Malayali (or bewilderingly brilliant Bombayite, or crafty Keralite) than gory Ghurka.

2. I've haven't even thought about khukris for years - then a friend of mine brings one back from Nepal as a gift and you mention the knife, in the same week, on the board. I'm becoming a bit paranoid. Nah. As we sceptics like to show - the human mind is geared to make patterns, and will do so at the drop of a hat. Fear not, we are not after you (we already have you - that's why ).


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Thanks for that endorsement, Rhuby.

Actually (at least for Spurs fans), the Ricky Villa/Ossie Ardiles/Glenn Hoddle years weren't too bad either...


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It was also, I think, one of the locations for Terry Gilliam's Brazil.


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shanks asserted that Actually (at least for Spurs fans), the Ricky Villa/Ossie Ardiles/Glenn Hoddle years weren't too bad either...

As a Gunners fan, I must reluctantly concede the truth of the above statement - Ossie was great!


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>Ossie was great!

Yes, those were indeed the days of the great British football player.



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Yes, those were indeed the days of the great British football player.

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Two objections.

1. When was there ever a 'British' national football team?

2. Since when did you decide to pass the Tebbit test? (From one who lived in Fulham, close to Craven Cottage, when Fulham Football Club fans were almost exclusively National Front... alas)


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when Fulham Football Club fans were almost exclusively National Front... alas

It doesn't seem to matter shanks - all yobbo football fans seem to go to the National Front for training in how to participate in post-match functions, anyway!



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>Since when did you decide to pass the Tebbit test?

I just thought I'd try it on for size!

I was living in North London when Villa & Ardilles came to Spurs. I think that a rule had only very recently been passed allowing each club to have up to two players from outside Britain. I seem to remember that they were the first (successful) example of really successful international players joining a UK club. [The rule may have been a small recognition that our concept of ourselves as the world's premier footballing nation may have been a delusion.] Hence the poor attempt at irony.


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[The rule may have been a small recognition that our concept of ourselves as the world's premier footballing nation may have been a delusion.] Hence the poor attempt at irony.

The world's 'premier' football nation? The Hungarians pretty much did for that in 53 (was it?) with Puskas and co.

Sorry I didn't catch the irony...

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>Sorry I didn't catch the irony...

No, you caught the delusion instead!


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