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There's a word for this (a type of fallacy?). I learned it in college, but have since forgotten.
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You are speaking of ascribing motives on insufficient evidence?
Isaac Asimov: It was interesting to hear your opinions of my work, Dr., but when I wrote that book I had nothing of the sort in mind.
English Professor: I'm pleased to meet you Dr. Asimov. I've always been a big fan of your work, but, tell me, just because you wrote it what makes you think you have any idea what it's about?
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tell me, just because you wrote it what makes you think you have any idea what it's about?No-one's as smart as they think, Faldage. There is stuff going on beneath the surface only an english professor, or a psychoanalyst, could plumb. An artist should leave his best thinking up to his Muse. 
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'Authorial Intent'?
And the fallacy, Anna? (real quetion)
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Derrida once came to the New School to give a guest seminar as part of his evaluation for a position there. A student asked him a question about one of the articles with which 'all' grad students are familiar but which M. Derrida couldn't remember clearly (as I cannot at all). Instead of answering the question, Derrida denied ever having said whatever it was that was being attributed to him. Whereupon, one of the professors put the text in front of him and showed him the line...Derrida read for a moment, looked up, and said, charmingly, "Obviously, I didn't mean that."
Needless to say, he got the job.
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Hmm, I can't think of it. Could be arguing from authority, but that doesn't seem right. Since even when an author gives his intent in plain text, he could be delusional or ignorant or lying.
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Something like mental telepathy?
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It's called telementation. It's supposed to be what happens when two people speak with one another.
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It's supposed to be what happens when two people speak with one another.
Supposed by whom?
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Since even when an author gives his intent in plain text, he could be delusional or ignorant or lying.Or he might just be trying to make some sense out it all ... just like the rest of us, jheem.
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[gulp] Onelook gave a couple; is one of them it, Anna?
Words and phrases matching your pattern:
(We're restricting the list to terms we think are related to Author intent, and sorting by relatedness.)
1. iris
2. exposition
3. omnibus
4. preface
5. writing
6. fantasia
7. twist
8. cause
9. demogorgon
10. epigraph
11. enos
12. comment
13. punctuation
14. go ask alice
15. howard families
16. larry dixon
17. riverworld
18. choke (novel)
19. judith a. reisman
20. roe messner
21. intense
22. rhetorical device
23. suidas
24. tan
25. automatic writing
26. hosea
27. intentional fallacy
28. haggai
29. interpolate
30. piet hein (denmark)
31. andreas capellanus
32. animus nocendi
33. heinrich christian boie
34. montagu butler library
35. magnum opus
36. oda sakunosuke
37. anomalous operation
38. hedonistic imperative
39. max and ruby
40. factory method pattern
41. deconstruction
42. elegant variation
43. viridian design movement
44. frame tale
45. invent
46. entre deux guerres
47. sigil
48. write
49. ghost
50. classic
51. style
52. view
53. lewis
54. hack
55. burgess
56. pastiche
57. holograph
58. tolstoy
59. penman
60. autograph
61. tragedian
62. coauthor
63. dramatist
64. juvenilia
65. allonym
66. rudyard kipling
67. lewis carroll
68. anonymous
69. memoir
70. pseudonym
71. mother goose
72. pen name
73. voltaire
74. james
75. kipling
76. marquis de sade
77. henry david thoreau
78. shaw
79. conan doyle
80. count lev nikolayevitch tolstoy
81. ernest hemingway
82. george bernard shaw
83. grimm
84. henry james
85. leo tolstoy
86. miguel de cervantes
87. quote
88. franz kafka
89. psalmist
90. sir arthur conan doyle
91. andersen
92. arthur conan doyle
93. authoress
94. corpus
95. hans christian andersen
96. hippocrates
97. lexicographer
98. librettist
99. ghostwrite
100. john updike
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Supposed by whom?Oh, Roy Harris comes to mind, but mainly because I was just reading an article of his in Linguistic Thought in England: 1914–1945. He mentions it in connection with the British philosopher G. E. Moore, but it's really just a fancy name for what happens during communication. I didn't say I believed it. I think communication is, at best, an epiphenomenon of parole. That's on my good days. 
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True, grapho, that is the unmarked intention, but I was just passing over it in silence.
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I think communication is, at best, an epiphenomenon of parole.Have you got some parole evidence for that? http://www.kentlaw.edu/classes/psmith/sld029.htmOkay, I'll bite, jheem. What does "epiphenomenon of parole" mean? I won't let you out on parole until you give me an answer.
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Have you got some "parole" evidence for that?
See almost any of my postings on AWADtalk.
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See almost any of my postings on AWADtalk.I am not allowed to peruse your other postings to ascertain your meaning as that is contrary to the parole evidence rule. And I do like to stick to the rules ... as a rule.
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We just use different rules. Perhaps it's a north-south of the 49th parallel kinda thang. Game and match.
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Game and matchI'm always game for a match, jheem. But I'm not always a match for my game. [As Faldage has probably told you. But, please remember, Faldage judges all his own games ... so I still consider him fair game, whether he's up for the game or not. Just kiddin'. It's just a game for both of us. Well, I guess I can't speak for Faldage.]
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Do you mean word of mouth, or spoken?
Parole in French means: spoken, to swear as in give your word or your oath, word of mouth, starting to speak.
So conceivable, we use what people say here as evidence only because they've said it.
Is that what you meant jheem?
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bel: Telementation appears to refer to a 'fixed-code theory of language,' or one which would guarantee a fixed meaning of a given writing or utterance, according to unalterable rules. jheem seems not to buy it. Or? With reference to law, there is a dense, lengthy and (perhaps) tempting article on the subject at http://artsweb.bham.ac.uk/MToolan/languagemyth.htm
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Do you mean word of mouth, or spoken?
belMarduk:
I used parole in Saussure's sense, as 'speech' or 'utterance' versus langue 'language'. Here's what he has to say:
"En séparant la langue de la parole, on sépare du même coup: 1º ce qui est social de ce qui est individuel; 2º ce qui est essentiel de ce qui est accessoire et plus ou moins accidentel.
"La langue n'est pas une fonction du sujet parlant, elle est la produit que l'individu enregistre passivement; elle ne suppose jamais de préméditation, et la réflexion n'y intervient que pour l'activité de classement [...]
"La parole est au contraire un acte individuel de volunté et d'intelligence, dans lequel il convient de distinguer: 1º les combinaisons par lesquelles le sujet parlent utilise le code de la langue en vue d'exprimer sa pensée personnelle; 2º le mécanisme psycho-physique qui lui permet d'extérioriser ces combinaisons.
"Il est à remarquer que nous avons défini des choses et non des mots; les distinctions établies n'ont donc rien à redouter de certains termes ambigus qui ne se recouvrent pas d'une langue à l'autre. Ainsi en allemand Sprache veut dire « langue » et « language »; Rede correspond à peu prés à « parole », mais y ajoute le sense spécial de « discours ».
[Ferdinand de Saussure Cours de linguistique générale, pp.30f.]
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Sorry Insel. I tried reading it but it's just too verbose for me. I have trouble following texts that use four words to say something that could be said in one. It irks me.
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inselpeter: thanks for the link. I'll need time to digest it, but it is interesting. I was thinking of the standard model of communication that people often propose and, I suppose, believe in. You know speaker (S) has an idea (C), encodes it into a sentence (M) in some language (L) known to him and hearer (H). H hears M and decodes it. Now H has the same C in his mind. Thoughts have been transfered. The code has to be fixed for maximum telementation.
A different, funnier model of communication suggested in a lecture once by Charles Fillmore was that discourse was like two people juggling balls and occasionally throwing a ball at one another, knocking some of the other person's balls in flight out, etc.
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>>(S)(C) etc.<<
All the flavor of the empirical without the calories!
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>>Sorry Insel..<<
Like I said, it might be tempting. *** Like you, I prefer terse writing. However, I don't think this guy is tossing fluff just trying to be precise, perhaps in service of a hopeless cause.
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It seemed that the author was being authentic. He's just using a specialized vocabulary. Many folks who hear me and a friend discussing computers think we're speaking in gibberish, but we're not. Certain fields develop certain vocabulary to discuss things. Lawyers especially try to use words in a precise and defined way. Of course, all professions have their inauthentic blatherers. Thing is they might fool outsiders but seldom insiders.
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baltherersI got halfway to OneLook before I realized what happened...
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>>>I used parole in Saussure's sense, as 'speech' or 'utterance' versus langue 'language'. Here's what he has to say:
That is quite a good distinction between parole and langue that Saussure makes jheem.
The passive and active differences in the two words are ones that I had never considered before.
I'm glad you posted this.
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That is quite a good distinction between parole and langue that Saussure makes
You might want to read Saussure's book, belMarduk. It's quite accessible and available in any fine bookstore or library. The Cours was put together and published psothumously by a couple of Saussure's students. In the PIE world, he's known for his brilliant Mémoire sur le système primitif des voyelles dans les langues indo-europeennes written when he was in his early twenties. In it he hypothesized the existence of some phonemes (called laryngeals) in PIE that had not survived in any of the then-known IE daughter languages. Later in the 20th century, with the decipherment of Hittite, a phoneme was discovered where he said a laryngeal would be. Saussure is usually considered to be the father of structuralism, which started out in linguistics and spread from there to other disciplines.
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 OL. Yup, it's from the Scots form of balderdash, a kind of quoits played with curling stones and cricket bats in the North Sea.
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balderdashyou don't say?!
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And when the stones go down it's known as quoitus interruptus.
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Yes, and that's hardly cricket!
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quoitus interruptus
Sort of like stopping a mass that's just begun: introitus interruptus. Let's flip a quoin and be done with it. Heads gets the ashes?
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