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Insel's memory thread and bel's "words I had to look up" thread reminded me of the list of vocabulary words I compiled while reading Proust.  Here's one of them:
 ukase, n.  A Russian edict or order, esp. during the Czarist regimes, having the force of law;  any decree or order issued by an authority or official.
 (from Webster's)
 
 Here is an excerpt from Proust with the word in context:
 
 My mother was counting greatly upon the pineapple and truffle salad.  But the Ambassador, after fastening for a moment on the confection the penetrating gaze of a trained observer, ate it with the inscrutable discretion of a diplomat, without disclosing his opinion.  My mother insisted on his taking some more, which he did, but saying only, in place of the compliment for which she was hoping:  'I obey, Madame, for I can see that it is, on your part, a positive ukase.'
 
 from In Search of Lost Time by Marcel Proust
 my ed. published by The Folio Society 2001
 
 
 
 
 
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I can't quite imagine how pineapple and truffle would go together. It does seem to me that a French diplomat shouldhave been able either to evade gracefully a second serving,
 or pretend to enjoy it. The hostess could not have
 missed his lack of enthusiasm, which would hurt worse than a refusal
 
 
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well, though it may be an order, he did at least say it was a positive  ukase.  he knew he had to eat another helping, but he enjoyed it.    
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You mean he enjoyed zinging his hostess.
 
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Rapunzel, do you know how we'd pronounce ukase?  I'm not sure how it would sound since I don't know Russian at all.
 
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The two dictionaries I consulted differ on what the preferred pronunciation is-- the first says it should be "you-case" or "you-kaze" with accent on the second syllable.  The second dictionary says to put the accent on the first syllable.  So, I'm not sure.     |  |  |  
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Rapunzel, it's wonderful to see you back here!  Thanks for the pronunciations--I'd been thinking of it as having three syllables. (The most unlikely being you, Casey.)
 
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hypogean, (high-puh-JEE-un) adj.   Growing or living below the surface of the ground.  
 An interesting related word is hypogeum, n.  The subterranean part of an ancient building, or an ancient underground burial chamber.
 
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 p.s.  Can anyone show me how to make pronunciation symbols?  I have the ANSI codes, but they don't include a symbol for the schwa sound, among other things.
 
 
 
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I think your best bet is using SAMPA.http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/sampa/home.htm Others will no doubt disagree. You can also use XML/XHTML entities (they are delimited with an ampersand-octothorpe and a semi-colon and contain a number [Unicode] in between). Depending on your audience's browser / OS configuration, this may or may not work. For example, schwa /@/ in SAMPA or /ə/ in Unicode (number is 601 in Unicode).http://www.tei-c.org/Lite/U5-chars.html |  |  |  
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Ooo, I like that word Rapunzel. Seems like you could write a fab SciFi story based on this word.  
 
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The Biology of Hypogean Fishes (Developments in Environmental Biology of Fishes, 21) Aldemaro Romero Diaz
 
 List Price: $154.00
 
 (hmmm.. fish living below the surface of the ground.. whadda concept.)
 
 
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Here's Word #3:lacustrine , adj.   (luh-KUSS-trin)  of, relating to, formed in, living in, or growing in lakes. Again, an excerpt from Proust:...at the foot of the path which led down to the artificial lake, there might be seen, in its two tiers woven of forget-me-nots and periwinkle flowers, a natural, delicate, blue garland encircling the water's luminous and shadowy brow, while the iris, flourishing its sword-blades in regal profusion, stretched out over agrimony and water-growing crowfoot the tattered fleurs-de-lis, violet and yellow, of its lacustrine sceptre. From vol 1, Swann's Way p.s.  Thanks, jheem, for the links.  As you can see, I haven't quite deciphered them yet.     |  |  |  
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I found some sites about blind fish in limestone cavestreams.
 In Xanadu did Kublai Khan
 a stately pleasure-dome decree,
 where Alph, the sacred river, ran
 through caverns measureless to man
 down to a sunless sea,
 
 That's hypogean.
 
 
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I like that poem Bill.
 Rapunzel, did you look up the etymology of lacustrine?  It's funny that the first syllable is pronounced luh.  I would have thought it was LAC as in lacquer or shellac.
 
 Lac (pronounced like in my two examples above) is the French word for lake, so I though that the words might be related somewhere deep in the past.
 
 
 
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