#12252
12/07/2000 9:52 AM
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Twice today I've heard people make rat references. The first was (and excuse the, ah, French):
...smart as a shithouse rat
and the second was
...like a rat up a drainpipe
Are these similies/metaphors used in your world(s), and does anyone know anything about their origins?
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#12253
12/07/2000 10:08 AM
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The one I'm familiar with:
I couldn't give a rat's arse for (what ever is being floccinaucinihilipilificated).
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#12254
12/07/2000 1:13 PM
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Yes, rat up a drainpipe is a very familiar saying - I take it to be based on straightforward observation of their extraordinarily nimble antics...?
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#12255
12/07/2000 1:19 PM
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--like a cornered rat--
for some one in a dangerous situation, and you don't have an idea of what they might do, but think only something bad can happen..
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#12256
12/07/2000 1:52 PM
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"I smell a rat..." when suspicious of something said or some action that is proposed. No idea where it came from, I think its been around for ages!
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#12257
12/07/2000 3:43 PM
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We have the usage of "rat" as an informer (grass, I believe it's called in the UK), which, in recent years has become a verb (see recent threads about verbing nouns), as in "to rat someone out." My father in law used to combine this with "fink" (meaning the same thing, but a word derived from labor unions) to make "ratfink". (Fink has also been verbed, as in "to fink on someone). My, my -- who would fink it?
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#12258
12/07/2000 3:56 PM
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#12259
12/07/2000 4:30 PM
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It's a worrisome day when even the rats are fleeing the ship.
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#12260
12/07/2000 6:19 PM
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Thanks folks - keep 'em coming. I feel a compilation coming on, although who, apart from me, might be interested is a mystery.
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#12261
12/07/2000 6:39 PM
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#12262
12/07/2000 9:27 PM
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I've heard people described as looking like a drowned rat when they have come in from torrential rains.
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#12263
12/07/2000 9:39 PM
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or that they have hair like rats tails!-- one my mother used on me, till in the mid 60's, having long straight hair, with out a bit of curl was in style.. of course those were also the years i was maturing, and as i did, my hair got slightly curly! not like sibs, who from infancy looked like Shirley Temple's, albeit with black hair.
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#12264
12/07/2000 11:56 PM
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Still in the rodent category but cuter : Quiet as a mouse. Nervous as a mouse in a room full of cats. The Mouse ran up the clock, hickory dickory dock. Then, there is Aesop's "The Lion and the Mouse" with its famous line "No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted." If that's not enough, then how about : "The Town Mouse and the Country Mouse" with its observation : "A crust eaten in peace is better than a banquet partaken in anxiety." Finally -- lest you think I have abandoned the main topic : check out Robert Browning's poem "The Pied Piper of Hamlin" which mentions more rats than you can shake a stick at!  wow
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#12265
12/08/2000 12:34 AM
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flash as a rat with a gold tooth
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#12266
12/08/2000 1:23 AM
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Was it James Cagney who said "why, you dirty rat" through clenched teeth? This was a bit before my time but I seem to recall something of the sort.
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#12267
12/08/2000 1:30 AM
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check out Robert Browning's poem "The Pied Piper of Hamlin" which mentions more rats than you can shake a stick at!Aah, what memories! I had a stand-up argument with my fifth form English teacher about this poem - she insisted first that Transylvania was somewhere in North America, then North Africa, then that Romania was an SSR, part of the USSR, first she said de jure, then de facto. This at a time when Romania was a maverick among Eastern Bloc nations. That, together with the great difficulty I had, even then at the height of my love affair with the German language, wrapping my tongue around Hameln, and my identifying with the lame little boy, mean that this opus is indelibly inscribed on what is often mistaken for my mind.
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#12268
12/08/2000 2:53 AM
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Lapsed Lasagne quoted: flash as a rat with a gold tooth.
I sure haven't heard that one before. Thanks to all the contributors so far. Keep them cards and letters rolling in, folks.
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#12269
12/08/2000 3:05 AM
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Zaphod Beeblebrox once said: "I wouldn't trust myself further than I could spit a rat." In the TV series, that came out as "I wouldn't trust him as far as I could spit a dead rat" which phrase I use often.
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#12270
12/08/2000 4:57 AM
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In reply to:
Lapsed Lasagne quoted: flash as a rat with a gold tooth.
but abstained from ratatouille.
Ratbag?
Ratty for in a bad mood.
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#12271
12/08/2000 3:05 PM
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I was expecting the ozzies to chime in with 'ratbag'; how about rat-kangaroo (or kangaroo rat).
ratatouille? rataplan!
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#12272
12/08/2000 3:16 PM
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Ratatouille ? Rataplan ?
Rat-a-tat-tat.
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#12273
12/08/2000 6:36 PM
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rataplan
I vaguely remember a chant that went something like: "rataplan, rataplan, rataplan -plan -plan" What the hell is rataplan, tsuwm?
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#12274
12/08/2000 6:43 PM
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What the hell is rataplan, tsuwm?Even rodents suffer from architects. 
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#12275
12/08/2000 7:00 PM
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> What the hell is rataplan, tsuwm?
choose one:
a) the iterative sound of beating: rat-a-tat-tat
b) informing on a heist
c) rodent architects
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#12276
12/08/2000 7:16 PM
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It is also French for Rat-tat-tat.
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12/08/2000 9:08 PM
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On the subject of rats, one gone missing in NY–(forget, "How could you possible know?")
The W Grace building on Lexington Avenue and 42nd St. –near to Grand Central Terminal and Grand Central Station*– had a marque– a metal awning type marque, that was supported by 4 iron (steel? what ever) rods made to look like hawsers, with those conical devises (perhaps Cap't Kiki knows the name of them?) meant to keep ship board rats on the ship and land lubber rats on land.
On one of the rods, was a lovely rat. I don't know if she had an official name, (I always called her gracie) but she's gone!
We all seem to have rat similes, but do any of you have ornamental rats? Or missing rats? Or do any of you know of gracie?
*obviously not the same place
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#12278
12/08/2000 10:52 PM
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Helen, she of the purse that bought a thousand slips, suggested: hawsers, with those conical devises (perhaps Cap't Kiki knows the name of them?) meant to keep ship board rats on the ship and land lubber rats on land
Note that I've never, ever sung with Elton John. Or anything elsed with EJ.
The second thing is that yes, I do know what they're called but for the life of me I can't remember at the moment. It'll come to me when I'm trying to work out something trivial like the number of megawatt-hours a particular meter at a point of connection on the national grid can actually record in one half-hour period.
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#12279
12/08/2000 11:07 PM
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here's some anecdotal evidence that they're just called "rat guards", but surely they must have another name. http://www.astm.org/DATABASE.CART/PAGES/F1099M.htm
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#12280
12/08/2000 11:46 PM
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tsuwm suggested here's some anecdotal evidence that they're just called "rat guards", but surely they must have another name.
Yes, there is some totally unobvious term for them. I'm trying to get hold of my father who's much saltier than me. He'll know, but like most OAPs, he's selfishly off enjoying himself somewhere without a single thought as to whether his children may need his help and succour at a moment's notice ...
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#12281
12/09/2000 1:35 AM
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Nervous as a mouse in a room full of cats.
Nervous as a cat in a room full of rockers.
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#12282
12/10/2000 12:24 AM
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Isn't the rat one of the signs in Chinese astrology? I believe being born under the sign of the rat is not considered a bad thing at all.
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#12283
12/10/2000 1:50 AM
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Isn't the rat one of the signs in Chinese astrology? I believe being born under the sign of the rat is not considered a bad thing at all
Absolutely, and you can find chinese 'scopes on the www.
If you don't seem to fit the general description of your sign in Western astrology, try the Chinese Zodiac! SURPRISE!
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#12284
12/10/2000 8:31 PM
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I KNEW if I waited long enough I'd see the Gracie Mention here!
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#12285
12/10/2000 8:51 PM
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If you don't seem to fit the general description of your sign in Western astrology, try the Chinese Zodiac! SURPRISE!
The Chinese Zodiac is based on years, thereby implying that everyone born in a certain year is the same. Talk about bogus! I'm definitely not the same as everyone else in my class.
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#12286
12/11/2000 1:19 PM
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In yesterday magazine section of the (Sunday) NYTimes, William Safire column had a word (Chad! and a phrase both of interest to this board–the phrase was "I know where the rats in the barn are," and can be found at this link. It was a new one to me.. http://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/20001210mag-onlanguage.htmland thanks Cap't, and Ted--from your comment, I guess the rat is Gracie to more than me...
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12/11/2000 7:05 PM
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The Big H said: "I know where the rats in the barn are,"
I love - and frequently use - the expression "He/she/it knows where all the bodies are buried." If the he/she/it is especially knowledgeable about the subject, I add "... and he/she/it even knows where the shovel (rutila?) is kept."
Ah well, just thought I'd throw that one in.
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#12288
12/14/2000 6:17 PM
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This is not exactly a Rodent saying, but my Daddy always used to use flea-bitten as an insult. (unfortunately close to home for me at the moment, as my cat has recently become a flea-bitten feline) 
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#12289
12/15/2000 12:03 AM
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Didn`t Yosemite Sam always call Bugs Bunny a flea-bitten varmint?
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#12290
12/15/2000 12:21 AM
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It's a vermin-related, rather than specifically rodent-related, saying, but I've always been fond of "busier than a tick in a tannery."
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#12291
12/15/2000 3:27 AM
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>>>dn`t Yosemite Sam always call Bugs Bunny a flea-bitten varmint?<<
entirely possible, bel, but i doubt that my dad watched bugs bunny. well, come to think of it... how old were those cartoons anyway? trying to remember my loony toon history has put a strain on my brain. (ooh, sorry, i really didn't mean to make a rhyme.) they started in, what, about the 40's? maybe he watched them as a kid after all.
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