|
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 79
journeyman
|
OP
journeyman
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 79 |
A thought:
Together is obviously related to the verb "gather". But it works in German (sammeln - zusammen) and French ((ras)sembler - ensemble) too, even though the roots are different. Nice bit of parallel development.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,891
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,891 |
That is interesting Hib. It seems to coincidental that the same thing repeats itself in several languages. Can you give us the ethymology of the words please? Maybe, some time in the past they did spring from the same word.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 79
journeyman
|
|
OP
journeyman
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 79 |
Well, I've been known to bark up the wrong tree before, but Latin simul (together, at once, at the same time, as soon as) is related to Sanskrit samas (same) and Greek omos, ama (same). Dutch has samen meaning together, so it's tempting to see the same root and link it with "sammeln", but I don't honestly know.
Come to think of it, Finnish has samalainen meaning "same", so either that's one for the Nostraticists, or came from Germanic. Or just a coincidence.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803 |
Finnish does have a lot of Germanic words insinuated into it. I think Nuncle jheem gave us the two bit tour a short time ago.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,475
veteran
|
|
veteran
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,475 |
Yes, sammeln is related to English same, Greek hama, homos, Old Irish som 'the same', samail 'image, picture', Welsh hafal , Breton haval 'similar, like'. From the PIE *sem- 'one' which also gives Latin semper 'always' and German sanft 'soft'. As for the Finnish, your guess is as good as mine. I keep meaning to get a good historical Finnish dictionary.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,475
veteran
|
|
veteran
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,475 |
Finnish does have Germanic loanwords. I don't think I've said anything about it here though. Also, Finno-Ugric languages have a good number of Iranian laonwords, too.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803 |
Mebbe it was Sir Humphrey at wordorigins.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,475
veteran
|
|
veteran
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,475 |
Heidegger, the etymologizing philosopher, has a discussion about Gk logos usually translated as 'reason, speech, word' (which in turn was translated into L. as ratio 'reckoning; reason'; cognates: L. lego 'to gather, collect; read (aloud); choose' (cf. college), legio 'legion, a body of soldiers'. He drew comparisons with the German Ding and English thing as words for generic objects as well as for a gathering (cf. Icelandic alþing 'gathering, parliament', a Romano-German god's name Mars Thinxus (for *Tius þingsaz 'der Gott der Versammlung, the god of the assembly'). (I think it's discussed in his Building, Dwelling, Thinking.)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,773
Pooh-Bah
|
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,773 |
And "lego" now means "small plastic block which hurts like the dickens when you step on it."
|
|
|
|
Forums16
Topics13,913
Posts229,810
Members9,187
| |
Most Online3,341
Dec 9th, 2011
|
|
|
0 members (),
458
guests, and
1
robot. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
|
