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(think of the term floods applied to clothes..


of troy, from where did you pull the term 'floods'? I checked the thread throughout and couldn't find it.

Also, many thanks for the connection between the four-in-hands knot used by the horse drivers and the type of knot itself. I looked through several illustrations on Google showing how to tie the knot, but couldn't see why the knot would be four-in-hand at any point in the knot making! The knot in the reins is a crystal clear connection! And a practical solution for the driver!