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all the wimple and nun stuff.. and i thought about dowager, and its relationship to dowery... which are related (not to big a leap) to donation.. and that led me to do.. as an EI root.. ENTRY: d- DEFINITION: To give. Oldest form *de3-, colored to *do3-, contracted to *d-. Derivatives include betray, surrender, vend, dose, and antidote. 1a. Zero-grade form *d-. dado, date1, dative, datum, die2; add, betray, edition, perdition, render, rent1, surrender, tradition, traitor, treason, vend, from Latin dare, to give; b. Greek dosis, something given (see 4 below). 2. Suffixed form *d-no-. donation, donative, donor; condone, pardon, from Latin dnum, gift. 3. Suffixed form *d-t(i)-. a. dot2, dowager, dower, dowry; endow, from Latin ds (genitive dtis), dowry; b. dacha, from Russian dacha, gift, dacha, from Slavic *datja; c. samizdat, from Russian samizdat, samizdat, from dat', to give. 4. Suffixed form *d-ro-. lobster thermidor, Pandora, from Greek dron, gift. 5. Reduplicated form *di-d-. dose; anecdote, antidote, apodosis, epidote, from Greek didonai, to give, with zero-grade noun dosis (< *d-ti-), something given. (Pokorny d- 223.) http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE114.htmlwhat an intesting collection of words -- who'd a thought betray would be related? -- and i never made the connections between dora (as in pandora) and donation..duh! it seems perfectly obvious now!
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who'd a thought betray would be related? Yes, betray is from betrayen from OFr trair from tradere from trans- plus dare. Dora as in the names Doris and Theodore. Does everybody know that Pokorny is online? Sort of. Plus a whole bunch of other great dictionaries, like Vasmer. Fantastic resource for etymologists of every stripe. http://iiasnt.leidenuniv.nl/ied/
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I keep getting "connection refused" when I try that link.
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I keep getting "connection refused" when I try that link.
Yes, I noticed after I linked that it's down. It seems to be on a flakey server cuz I've had problems with it before. It is worth the wait though.
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Very interesting word links, of troy. What an odd feeling to see all these words about acquisition being applied to females. Kind of disturbing to this female. Now, if I can just find that key to my chastity belt. ;-)
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Yes, betray is from betrayen from OFr trair from tradere from trans- plus dare.
"Tradere", "vendere", etc. are 3rd conjugation, while the root "dare" is 1st declension. Note also - "sedeo": I sit; "sedo": I cause to be seated.
In English we have transitive/intransitive pairs like lay/lie and set/sit (cf German legen/liegen and setzen/sitzen).
I wonder if "trans-dare" -> tradere and "venum-dare" -> vendere are examples of a similar pattern?
Do ut des.
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Good question. Trouble with vendeo and tradeo is that they come pretty late in the game, 5th century or later. Meillet suggests that the tra(ns)dare to tran(sd)ere is because of a confusion of dare and the -dere in verbs like credere from dhe:- 'place'. Cf. Latin separare to French severer.
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