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any schwa key mall hie ponce
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any schwa key mall hie ponce
Our good Nuncle wins him a lifetime supply of honey soy.
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Speaking of mispronunciations, how do you say deasil, please? I look at it and think "diesel".
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the good nuncle gave it to us quite a ways back... and then the sleepy one confirmed and augmented closer to where we are now.
formerly known as etaoin...
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Jackie-- Hibernicus says I was correct in the Irish Gaelic pronunciation: /deSl/ or day-shuhl. Not a clue as to the Scottish Gaelic.
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Uh, there's a difference, or at least a different glyph, for unstressed mid central vowel (or schwa), i.e., the sound at the end of /sowf@/. Then there's a glyph that looks like a ^ (or caret, but called a turned v) for a slightly higher mid back vowel (I look for an example. Have a look: http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/vowels.htmlhttp://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/sampa/home.htmMy phonology prof at Cal told us the V (in SAMPA) and @ were not without their problems, but that V was like a @ but stressed. I pronounce circus /'s@rk@s/ and husband /'h@zb@nd/, but I've seen husband transcribed as /'hVzb@nd/.
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I got points taken off a linguistics test once for spelling my name wrong.
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I got points taken off a linguistics test once for spelling my name wrong.
That's like the old Woody Allen joke about his philosophy final. They asked him his name, and he left it blank. He got 50%.
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Schwa in Hebrew is masculine, but in German (and Latin) it's neuter. There are two famous sounds in IE philology: schwa indogermanicum (primum) and schwa (indogermanicum) secundum. Today they're not even considered schwas, except by hardliner anti-laryngealists, having been replaced with a series of circa three laryngeals (deep throat sounds like ’ayin in Hebrew or Arabic, or pharyngeal fricatives like the sound represented by IPA gamma). I'm not quite sure why the IEists, like Hirt, wrote das Schwa indogermanicum mixing German and Latin, but they did. The laryngeal theory is a long and complicated one which I'll save for another entry.
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Jackie-- Hibernicus says I was correct in the Irish Gaelic pronunciation: /deSl/ or day-shuhl.
I did say that, but I'm afraid that's because I misinterpreted what you wrote. It should really be /dESl/ or desh-el. Sorry about the confusion.
BTW I thought I posted to this effect earlier today, and the post disappeared. If I have accidentally posted a duplicate of this post elsewhere, I apologise.
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