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12/03/2000 12:11 PM
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I discovered this word recently then lost the source. I may have spelled it incorrectly, but it is supposed to describe filler words in speech, such as er, um, like, and you know. Is it an actually word? I found it in a book of word lists I happened to be scanning at the library.
Thank you, wise ones.
Da'vid
Carpe rutila
Carpe whatever
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12/03/2000 4:22 PM
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according to the Penguin Dictionary of Psychology, embolalia (only two els) is simply "meaningless babbling". it would seem that someone borrowed this pathological term for other use; the "skb" wordlist, which can be found online, gives this looong and authoritative looking entry: "embolalia (n.) - the use of virtually meaningless filler words, phrases, or stammerings (or so-called hesitation-forms) in speech, whether as unconscious utterings while arranging one's thoughts or as a vacuous, inexpressive mannerism (W)" I'll have to ask him what his "W" source is, as I can't find his key [much of the skb list comes from Mrs. Byrne's Dictionary of Unusual, Obscure, and Preposterous Words, but not this one]
and, as long as I'm being expansive, here are some other interesting -lalias:
coprolalia - the uncontrollable use of obscene language
echolalia - the often pathological repetition of what is said by other people as if echoing them
glossolalia - speaking in tongues
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#11894
12/04/2000 7:02 AM
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Okay, (a) I'm ignorant, and (b) I'll bite. What's carpe rutila? I translate it as "grabbing or seizing red" or something like that - given that I don't have a Latin dictionary handy. Carpe diem, I get. Maybe I'm just tired. Or stupid.
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#11895
12/04/2000 8:33 AM
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Just a play on the wornout Carpe diem. I write garden humour, hence "Carpe rutila" -- seize the spade/shovel.
Cheers,
David
Carpe rutila
Carpe whatever
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12/04/2000 9:14 AM
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Just a play on the wornout Carpe diem. I write garden humour, hence "Carpe rutila" -- seize the spade/shovel.
Oh. Shouldn't it be carpe pala or maybe batillum? Rutila is just red or something which is red. I think I've heard of rutila being used to refer to a clay (maybe red?) that some potters use, but that use may be unconnected.
But it's a long time since I studied the language. I just missed having Cicero as a tutor in rhetoric because the old beggar up and died. So I had to drop Latin and take geography instead. Now, where was I?
A pala was carried by legionnaires following the Marian army reforms (although for all I know they may have been carried by them before that).
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12/04/2000 10:57 AM
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Ah, I'm afraid I'm not a latin scholar, Captain. I used a Latin/English dictionary on the net and came up with the following:
pala spade, peel for putting bread in the oven.
rutila a spade, shovel.
Another one gave me rutrum.
For red it gives:
puniceus purple, red.
puniceus reddish.
rubor redeness, blush, modesty, shame, disgrace.
rufus red, ruddy.
rutilus red, golden, auburn.
Gosh, it's almost as bad as English!
"Bury him? And what am I supposed to dig the hole with, Brutus."
"Use the ........, you fool!"
This is the site for the dictionary http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/Latin/
Carpe rutila
Carpe whatever
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12/04/2000 5:01 PM
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Hmm. Well, I'm perfectly prepared to believe that my Latin is rusty (red).
Actually I've always loved the expression "S/he knows where all the bodies are buried". The reply (in a British comedy show, referred to elsewhere on this list as a "Britcom"), was "And s/he even knows where they keep the shovel".
Thanks for the Latin on-line dictionary URLs, people. I've always been too stingy to buy a Latin dictionary ...
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12/04/2000 11:00 PM
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Yes, solrep, I found rutila, n. - a spade in another Latin online wordlist, as well as rutilus, adj = red, golden, auburn (rutila would be the feminine form of the adjective; rutilus the masculine.)
One thing to watch, though, if you want to continue using your sign-off is the case of the noun, rutila. If it is being seized, it needs to take the accusative case, which, assuming it's a regular feminine noun, would be rutilam.
So, carpe rutilam.
Actually, I rather like it as "seize the red". Goes well with my usual email sign-off of "Cheers".
Oh, and I'm no Latin scholar either, just a nitus-pickerus.
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12/04/2000 11:18 PM
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Wow, and I thougth I was being so smart. Guess I'll have to study Latin (tudysay atinlay?). Thanks, everyone, for your gracious enlightenment.
Carpe rutila -- seize the red ... geranium. That's it, red geranium. Fits the gardening theme perfectly.
Carpe whatever
Carpe whatever
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12/05/2000 7:39 AM
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Carpe rutila -- seize the red ... geranium
Well, carpe pelargonium is at least grammatical. Even carpe geranium I guess, but I understand that real gardeners only call them "Pelargonium".
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12/05/2000 9:34 AM
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Ah, yes, REAL gardeners may call them pelargonium, but only if the REAL gardener is referring to a pelargonium. If the plant in question is indeed a geranium, then a REAL gardener would call it so. The problem arises because pelargoniums are marketed as geranium and referred to as such by 90% of the population, and it has become tiresome explaining the difference. Having said that, I'm not sure if there is a RED geranium so I stand corrected.
Carpe whatever
Carpe whatever
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12/05/2000 11:36 AM
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"Bury him? And what am I supposed to dig the hole with, Brutus."
"Use the ........, you fool!"So the Romans didn't call a spade a spade? No wonder the Empire didn't last. Speaking of which, I saw a great Bestie (Steve Best) greetings card. One cat shouts at another: "Oi! No bollocks!". Caption: "Thomas liked to call a speyed a speyed." Arf 
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#11905
12/05/2000 1:25 PM
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"Thomas liked to call a speyed a speyed."
Shona
If it's just a typo you can pour beer on my head in January, but if not, I'm interested in the use of 'speyed', since I would tend to spell it 'spayed'. Wassup?
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12/05/2000 1:46 PM
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Dear Fish and Shanks ... a mistake in spelling with Speyed/Spayed...  ... After what MaxQ went through following my error with Deity/Diety I can say only : Heaven help you. wow
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12/05/2000 1:51 PM
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>I'm interested in the use of 'speyed', since I would tend to spell it 'spayed'. Wassup?
by false analogy (a common error in English <8^) with gray/grey?
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12/05/2000 2:43 PM
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= Seize the Shona!! From http://www.webenglishteacher.com/text/latinseizures.txt: LATIN SEIZURES a. Carpe Diem--Seize the Day b. Carpet Diem--Seize the carpet c. Carpayment Diem --Seize the checkbook d. Carpe Duh--Seize an idiot e. Carp Diem--Fish of the day f. Crampy Diem--Seize the Midol g. Carpe Diet--Seize the rice cake h. Carpal Diem--Seize the knuckles i. Carpe Dig'Em--Seize the chips 'n dip j. Carpe Carp--Seize the fish k. Carpe diem--Complain daily l. Carpe per diem--Seize the check m. Carpe canem--Seize the dog n. Carpe Dime--Seize the paycheck o. Carpe Daemler--Seize the Mercedes p. Carpe devo--Seize the record q. Carpe calypso--Seize the DAY-O r. Sharpei diem--Seize the wrinkled dog
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12/05/2000 3:35 PM
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Shona:
This is a GREAT pun (but anatomically a bit inaccurate since spaying has to do with ovaries, not bollocks.) And it's even better when you look up the word spay and discover that it arises "< ME spayen < Ofr. espeer, to cut with a sword < espee, sword < Lat. spatha. See spathe." And then you go to the derivation of spade (as in shovel) and find that it comes from old English spadu. Though in the dictionary at hand this explanation of the shovel word's origin stops there, I'd have to assume it comes from the latin spatha also.
Also of interest is the botanical spathe, which is the part of a jack-in-the-pulpit that looks almost like a parasol, and partially enclosing the spadix, a clublike spike bearing minute flowers. BUT! Spadix comes not from the same root but from the latin word spadix, a broken-off palm branch, derived from a similar Greek word.
Now WHY does this fascinate me so much? Do I need to get a life????
And you MUST run this through Aenigma and see what it gives back!!!
TEd
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04/02/2001 9:53 AM
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A pala was carried by legionnaires following the Marian army reforms
Is "Marian" a typo for "Maorian" CK? I have visions of a "1066 and all that" corruption of history taking place here!
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04/02/2001 3:18 PM
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spay
This is closer to the subject of the thread than one would think, since, in the Baltimore variant of English (and, I suspect in a lot of other places in the U.S. as well), "spay" is pronounced "spade", as in, "They had the dog spaded last week."
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04/02/2001 3:35 PM
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"spay" is pronounced "spade", as in, "They had the dog spaded last week."
Too true and it annoys the hell out of me, or I could say, it gives me agita! One must strive to maintain standards! (sigh)
To spay means to remove the ovaries of an animal therefore if I say "I had my dog spayed" you may deduce the dog is a female (bitch).
OTOH, if I had a male dog I would have had him neutered. (Made neither male or female)
A spay is not a spade
Or have I been haging out with "Dog People" too long?
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04/02/2001 9:26 PM
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Bob, do you mean to tell me that people actually say that the vet is going to spade their dog??? How weird.
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04/03/2001 4:57 PM
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Spay/spade
Yes, Jackie, they do say exactly that, and I gather it's not just a Baltimore locution. Of course, technically speaking they ought to be saying they are going to spade their bitch, since "dog" technically refers to a male, but the people who would say "spade" in this context either don't know that or don't want to use the word "bitch".
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04/03/2001 5:27 PM
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BobY wrote : they ought to be saying they are going to spade their bitch
Well, yes and no.
The might want to say they are going to have the dog spayed and the listener could deduce the animal was a bitch.
On no account is spaded or spade the correct term whether you use dog or cat or whatever for a female animal.
Of course you could get past it by saying your having the Vet do a hysterectomy on your animal.
Is there a male equivalent to hysterectomy? I know men who are somewhat hysterical and even a few given to fits of hysteria!
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04/03/2001 6:54 PM
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"hysteria" has an interesting etymology. I do not have a reference to document it, but in a psychiatry lecture it was said that the Greeks thought women were emotionally unstable at times because the uterus was "wandering" around inside them. So it is an amusing twist of meaning to call a man "hysterical".
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04/03/2001 7:31 PM
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Knew I could depend on you, wwh.
And, now and then, I have found some of your posts pretty hysterical (as in funny!)!
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04/03/2001 7:41 PM
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Is there a male equivalent to hysterectomy?
For an equivalent, vasectomy essentially does the trick, doesn't it? The only other words around that are close are along the lines of "castration" and "unman"....
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04/03/2001 7:58 PM
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hysterectomy? For an equivalent, vasectomy essentially does the trick,
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Not really, Seian, in a hysterectomy the uterus is removed and sometimes also one or both ovaries.
As I understand it, tubes are tied but nothing's removed in a vasectomy so my inclination would be that castration is the equivalent.
Discussion, anyone?
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04/03/2001 8:09 PM
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Discussion, anyone?
No! Yikes!
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04/03/2001 8:22 PM
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hysterectomy/male
The word for the equivalent procedure on a man is 'orchidectomy'= removal of the testes, or castration.
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04/03/2001 8:31 PM
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"castration is the equivalent" Not to this kid. Vasectomy changes little except ability to effect pregnancy, although there are said to be some sneaky aftereffects. The same cannot be said for being made a eunuch by the chippy chippy chop on a big black block, or astride a log. I'll be having nightmares.
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04/03/2001 9:45 PM
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hysterectomy/male
The word for the equivalent procedure on a man is 'orchidectomy'= removal of the testes, or castration.
The same cannot be said for being made a eunuch by the chippy chippy chop on a big black block, or astride a log. I'll be having nightmares.
Discussion, anyone?
No! Yikes!Ladies, we seem to have struck a nerve! The guys are definitely hung-up about this. 
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04/03/2001 10:39 PM
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Regarding Equivalents:
To spay means to remove the ovaries of an animal.. -- wow
Ovaries--Analog: testes.
Therefore
Hysterectomy--Analog:Castration.
Simple.
Uterus--Analogy: no analogy.
My fellow fellows: face it, you will never be pregnant.
Question: Do you imagine more hysterectomies are performed by men, or by women?
This is Pelotas, signing off.
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04/03/2001 10:51 PM
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Dear IP: I hate to say it, but 50 years ago there were too damned many hysterectomies done with insufficient grounds by men no psychiatrist could cure. Naturally I cannot document this.
Reply to IP's next post.
I have no idea of the ratio of male to female gynecologists, but I'll bet that the females do comparatively fewer needless hysterectomies.
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04/03/2001 10:56 PM
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Dear IP: I hate to say it, but 50 years ago there were too damned many hysterectomies done with insufficient grounds by men no psychiatrist could cure.
To be clear: I was dead serious.
IP
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04/04/2001 1:34 PM
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For any of you who have access to a US Public Broadcasting System, check out your listings for any show featuring Christina Northrup MD. Her talks are on point and she is very funny!
Dr. Northrup has also written several books that are in print.
Her PBS programs are very informative as to the differences in "women's" medicine then and now. Mostly I have seen the programs as specials during fund raising time.
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04/04/2001 2:27 PM
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In reply to:
My fellow fellows: face it, you will never be pregnant.
Leaving aside a few comedic characters in literature, very true and a bloody good thing. As my wife, a nurse as well as a mother, says, if men had to have babies the human race would never have reached grandchildren.
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04/04/2001 2:53 PM
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if men had to have babies the human race would never have reached grandchildren.
On a similar note : if men gave birth to the second child we would have only two children per family ... which may sound cynical at first read but it also says something positive for the empathy of men to their womenfolk.
Now, in case you think I am being serious ...there's the old saying : "If men had babies, childbirth would be a sacrament."
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Wow, i am a little younger, but a lot more radical– "If men got pregnant-- abortion would be a sacrament!"
Look how men moan and groan about getting "internal examinations"-- for prostrates-- Now think about them once giving birth! (i have two children, my son was 9 lbs, with a 21 inch in circumference head, my daughter, at 9lbs, 15 oz, was 23 inches long and had a bigger head!) and my baby's didn't set any records for birth size-- I like to meet the man who could deliver a premie!
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04/04/2001 10:01 PM
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how men moan and groan about getting "internal examinations"--
I've heard medical people say the closest men get to the labor of childbirth is passing a gallstone, and even that's just an indication.
How about it you MD Board members? (I think we have at least two. Alex Williams and dear Bill.)
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