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and what about Barbie®?
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I would think that "beyond my ken" would be used because it means something more than knowledge. As Dody said It's more in the the sense of know and understand than just aware of. After all two of the joys in life are finding that last piece of the puzzle and finding the word that says exactly what you mean. (even if no-one else kens it)
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Of course, Zed! There are lists of definitions for ken, and I doubt anyone would suggest that there is a single definition for the word, period--as is true of many words we talk about here.
But I don't think it would be correct--not that you are doing this--to suggest that we cannot use 'ken' to mean 'knowledge' [or specifically 'range of knowledge'] when we can do so correctly.
Here's the brief MW on this topic:
Main Entry: 2ken Function: noun Date: 1590 1 a : the range of vision b : SIGHT, VIEW <'tis double death to drown in ken of shore -- Shakespeare> 2 : the range of perception, understanding, or knowledge <abstract words that are beyond the ken of young children -- Lois M. Rettie>
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Yeahbut® 'tis double death to drown in ken of shore -- Shakespeareyou can't just go off Shakespeare, he made words up all the time!
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you can't just go off Shakespeare, he made words up all the time!
Ah, the utter, ruthless tyranny of iambic pentameters! I've had to make words up just to be able to describe my loathing of them ...
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and what about Barbie®?Thanks for keeping up (the good will) in my absence...
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Thanksit just sat there so long...
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Kestrel for a Knave was the title of the book while the film was titled Kes.
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…the title of the book while the film was titled…
Is that while in the sense "during the time that" or in the sense "until"?
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it just sat there so long...
I was too polite to say anything
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