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Well it depends. Do you think of Pandar as a 'have-gotter'?
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I agree with Bingly here. "Have got" should imply possession or receipt. People often say, for example, "I've got a cold," but, grammatically speaking, they'd be more correct to say "I have a cold."
In a slightly different context, one might say, for example, "I was with my ailing nephew, and now I've gotten a cold." Note, however that one would use "gotten" here, instead of got.
yabut, yabut, how come you can say "I am with my nephew."(who is very cute by the way) meaning present tense. and "I was with..." meaning past tense that ended in the past. and "I have been with ..." meaning past tense that extends to or stops at the present. OR emphasis ("I have so been with...") and "I have" present and "I got" past but not "I have got" continuing past or emphasis. Why shouldn't you use "have" to modify the verb for "be in possesion of" in the same way it modifies other verbs.
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creamed by cod snobbery. ???
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Hi Ravi!
I remember from my youth being told that 'only the lower classes' (they didn't mince words in my youth) use 'have got'.
Funnily enough, I recall being told the same thing by more than one English teacher.
For whatever reason, "have got" sounds common to me. But if it's good enough for William Shakespeare, I suppose I should not complain. Still...
I dusted off my Harper's English Grammar and read the following:
"Got means have or possess or obtain or secure. Use it sparingly if at all after have. Some authorities justify have got for the sake of emphasis, as I have got my man. Do not use got for is or was; I got hit for I was hit is substandard."
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"He has been being got at." Parse that, professor
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"He has been being got at."Oh God, my eyes!
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Why do I keep thinking about this old ditty? (As a lyricist Tom Lehrer's really got the stuff.)
I love my friends and they love me We're just as close as we can be And just because we really care Whatever we get, we share!
I got it from Agnes She got it from Jim We all agree it must have been Louise who gave it to him
Now she got it from Harry Who got it from Marie And ev'rybody knows that Marie Got it from me
Giles got it from Daphne She got it from Joan Who picked it up in County Cork A-kissin' the Blarney Stone
Pierre gave it to Shiela Who must have brought it there He got it from Francois and Jacques Aha, lucky Pierre!
Max got it from Edith Who gets it ev'ry spring She got it from her Daddy Who just gives her ev'rything
She then gave it to Daniel Whose spaniel has it now Our dentist even got it And we're still wondering how
But I got it from Agnes Or maybe it was Sue Or Millie or Billie or Gillie or Willie It doesn't matter who
It might have been at the pub or at the club, or in the loo And if you will be my friend, then I might ... (Mind you, I said "might" ...) Give it to you!
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Nobody ever told me that 'have got' was common. We were advised not to use too many gets in succession (avoid: I got up early but by the time I got downstairs my brother had got all the good cereal. I got my own back when we were getting on the bus because I got him all embarrassed in front of this girl he wants to get off with .....).
The get passive is mainly used in speaking and is useful. It's only used for actions and not states so it resolves the ambiguity in "The window was broken". Are we talking about the fact that the window was in several pieces or about something that happened to the unoffending pane of glass? If we say "The window got broken", it must mean the latter. It seems a perfectly natural extension of the difference between "She was drunk" and "She got drunk."
I think passives with get also imply that without actually performing the action, the subject (if animate) did do something to bring the action about. For example, there is a much stronger implication of misbehaviour in "He got arrested" than in "He was arrested".
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To continue Bingley's examples, there's also "she got married" vs "she was married." There is a grammatical term for got in this sense (besides the "get passive" that Bingley used), but damned if I can remember it. I believe it's similar to one usage of werden in German and one usage of the reflexive in Portuguese (and, I guess, Spanish).
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well, I have no class(it's a snow day), but I have gotten used to using have and got. a lot.
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