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Friday's Wall Street Journal included this story:
Hot Item or Old Hat?
Von Dutch Caps, Once Big,
Now Are Passe, Hipsters Say;
But Nobody Told Consumers
... where we learn that "uber-urban hipsters" ceased to find the hats cool after the hoi polloi started to wear them:
That may have been the beginning of the end for uber-urban hipsters, who started to cool toward the caps by late winter.
It must be exhausting being an "uber-urban hipster" in constant dread of drowning in a sea change of fashion - the awful moment when uber-urban hip becomes uber-urbanality.
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it is a bitch... 
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But it is well worth the effort. We particularly enjoy the feeble attempts of hoi polloi to mock us.
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All seriousness aside: living as I do on the outermost fringe of popular culture, I had to google this phenomenon. Here's a picture, if anyone's interested. Looks like your basic baseball cap with a little John Deere thrown in for that good-ol'-boy appeal. Apparently the designer is a 70-year-old pop artist/Harley type. I've learned all I want to know about this now, but thanks for the read, moss.  http://www.vondutch.com/store/ProductsList.aspx?CategoryID=33
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ceased to find the hats cool after the hoi polloi started to wear them
"the hoi poloi" is redundant, in that it contains two articles where it needs only one.
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"the hoi poloi" is redundant
We über-urbane know that.
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we're so on top of that... all the way downtown...
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Oops. My mistake. I had forgotten that the study of Greek was required for graduation from UUU -- Uber Urbane University.
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Is it me, or are these just trucker hats and tuques?
Oh-oh, maybe I'm un-uber-cool and didn't know it.
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"the hoi poloi" is redundant...indeed, as Faldage had pointed out in an über-subtle way: We particularly enjoy the feeble attempts of hoi polloi to mock us.It's a mixed blessing, Father Steve. Now that you've reached addicthood, you're subject to the same anarchic roolz® [in this case, thou shalt not make of thy fellow AWADer chopped liver without running risk of being called on said mantling] as everyone else. 
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...on the outermost fringe of popular culture,I.... must... resist...... OW, I broke something.  ************ Is it me, or are these just trucker hats and tuques?Just trucker hats, that's all. There's something slightly *suspicious about anything that uses the *prefix "uber" in its description.
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In reply to:
Is it me, or are these just trucker hats and tuques?
What does this mean?
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Anyone up for making an appropriate double-dactyl verse with "uber-urbanity"?
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Excellent suggestion, wolfee! However, I'll leave it to some*one else to fulfill your request for "appropriateness"...
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Anna the strophic one
backs from the lookwards side
searching for samples of
hoi polloi style
googling phenomenon's
uberurbanity
finding results just a
reason to smile.
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a tip 'o the glass to ye, musick!
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"the hoi poloi" is redundant, in that it contains two articles where it needs only oneand ...indeed, as Faldage had pointed out in an über-subtle way ... thou shalt not make of thy fellow AWADer chopped liver without running risk of being called on said mantlingWho will assume the "mantling" position first? Extract from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition "Since the Greek phrase includes an article, some critics have argued that the phrase the hoi polloi is redundant. But phrases borrowed from other languages are often reanalyzed in English as single words. For example, a number of Arabic noun phrases were borrowed into English as simple nouns. The Arabic element al- means “the,” and appears in English nouns such as alcohol and alchemy. Thus, since no one would consider a phrase such as “the alcohol” to be redundant, criticizing the hoi polloi on similar grounds seems pedantic." P.S. Who's "chopped liver" now?
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criticizing the hoi polloi on similar grounds seems pedantic
How droll.
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Assume the position [over the "mantling"]:
She did say "über-subtle"...
editSeems to lend a different perspective when one has "uber-time" on their side...
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Right. Got it. I accept the mantle of pedant with as much grace as I can muster.
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I accept the mantle of pedant with as much grace as I can muster.
Dear Father Steve:
I certainly would not call you a "pedant".
I simply took a sharp rebuke and sent it back to its rightful owner.
Truth is, I admire your scholarly familiarity with Greek.
I do not think it is necessarily the sine qua non of a proper education nowadays, but it is certainly knowledge admirably transmitted, like sunlight, to illuminate and not to impress.
That is your way, Father Steve, for which you are all the more esteemed by all who know you. It is not the way of a pedant.
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Priest, judge, paid-up pedant - I think he can fend for himself and get away with it! He has all the necessary qualifications ...
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I think he can fend for himself and get away with it!Agreed, he can "fend" for himself, were there any need for him to do so ... which there isn't. BTW if there were any need for further proof that Father Steve is not a "pedant", we need only observe that Father Steve admitted to being a "pedant" which surely no true pedant would ever do.
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*wonders how much the classes at UUU cost, what the entry prerequisites are, and if they have a nice catalog with snazzy pictures to send to inquisitive potentials*
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Extra-ordín-ary! That was beautiful music, musick. It even scanned and stuff.
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Thanks...  ... I wuz waitin' fer someone to claim there's three syllables in "googling", but.
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I wuz waitin' fer someone to claim there's three syllables in "googling"
'Tis a pity that anyone should have to worry about such a quibble.
Personally, I don't see the connection between love of the language, which presumably draws us all to AWADtalk in the first place, and obsessiveness about formal rules and structure which draws attention away from substance.
An ounce of originality is worth a pound of pedantry, if not in AWADtalk, at least in the real world.
Interesting that originality seldom surfaces without breaking someone's time-honored conventions. No doubt, the first outbreak of originality is always a scandal to some.
So it was with the first person who used the phrase "the hoi polloi" because it sounded more right to the ordinary english ear than to the rule-bound ear of a scholar.
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'Tis a pity that anyone should have to worry about such a quibble.Well, I wouldn't characterize it as a "worry", that seems tenfold intense than I was... another missing wink from my fingertips, I guess. Personally, I don't see the connection between love of the language,(nor do I) which presumably draws us all to AWADtalk in the first place, and obsessiveness about formal rules and structure which draws attention away from substance.Well, let's not get philosophical, but, whether or not the attention I pay to breaking formal rules and structure "proves the rule by it's exception", "obsessiveness"... I just don't see it reach anywhere near that level. From what I can tell silence seems to a better tool for critcism... but then, I'm used to silence. An ounce of originality is worth a pound of pedantry, if not in AWADtalk, at least in the real world.
Interesting that originality seldom surfaces without breaking someone's time-honored conventions. Spoken like a true "Ron Obvious" No doubt, the first outbreak of originality is always a scandal to some.I've never equated 'obsessiveness' with 'scandal', but lemme werk on that one fer awhile... So it was with the first person who used the phrase "the hoi polloi" because it sounded more right to the ordinary english ear than to the rule-bound ear of a scholar.Hmmm... aside from a 'rule-bound ear' having as much (quite often more) claim on 'ordinary' than any other ear, something tells me there was no "right sound" in the ordinary ear to compare with when combining *English with a new, foreign word/word phrase. Ya parbably had to be there...
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Ya parbably had to be there…
Don't it just set your teeth on edge when people add unnecessary syllables to words?
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I wuz just tryin' to keep from payin' a *royalty®.
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unnecessary... 5
unrequired... 3.5
unneeded... 3
redundant... 3
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Disnecessary?
Izzat a theme park?
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no, that's the rest room at the theme park...
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This all reminds me of...
after The Simpson family killed all the animatrons who went bezerk at Itchy and Scratchyland...
Meyers: As Roger Meyers Jr., the owner of the park, I'd like to thank you for stopping the killer robots, and to show my appreciation, here are two free passes.
Homer: But there are five of us.
Meyers: [angry] Here are two free passes!
Homer: That's better.
Dr. Frink kneels over the inert body of a robot.
Frink: Man, if this is happening here, I'd hate to think of what's happening in Euro Itchy and Scratchy Land, n-hey.
[shot of empty parking lot in said park
Booth man: [French accent] Hello? Itchy and Scratchy Land open for business. Who are you to resist it, huh? Come on. My last paycheck bounced. My children need wine.
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silence seems to be a better tool of criticism
Disagree, Musick.
Silence is not "a tool of criticism", especially in a forum or assembly of people. It is a tool of assent, as in "silence gives consent".
Silence only becomes "a tool of criticism" if it is practised by a group upon an individual. In that case, it is not "criticism" but ostracism.
As the passage below indicates, ostracism is employed not so much to censure opinion as to remove a threat to the established power structure.
A reconstruction of Themistocles' Ostracism, from The Greeks documentary:
The institution of ostracism, believed to have been created by Cleisthenes, was not actually used until 487 BC; some 20 years after his reforms.
Designed as a safeguard for protecting democracy, it was a harsh and unforgiving punishment, often meted out to individuals who were becoming too personally powerful, or who threatened the positions of those who already had great influence.
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OK, works for me.
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Silence is not "a tool of criticism", especially in a forum or assembly of people. It is a tool of assent Ok, I'm going to disagree with this--or at least put in a disclaimer. Speaking from personal experience, silence can also be the result of a decision that not saying something is better in a particular circumstance than saying something. It is a matter of priorities, and degrees--and I think we each set those for ourselves. I doubt that there is a single reader here (who has read more than just a handful of posts) who has not disagreed with something said. And I for one am very thankful that we have refrained from posting every little disagreement; if that were the case, I imagine that's about all we'd be reading. It, um, may have been rather obvious, of late, that I bristle right up when in my opinion my friends are attacked. At the other end of the spectrum, for ex., when various people disagree over whether a word came from Greek or Latin, I mentally yawn and move on: I have no vested interest in such a thing. And I feel sure that everybody has such things. Yet, even where I do have a vested interest, there are many reasons--for manners' sake, being one--that I refrain from voicing my disagreement. As to degrees: I believe we each have our "threshold" at which we will tolerate no more, and that this varies from person to person.
Edit: hmm, I was giving some thought to why I broke my silence and made this post. It is because I tend not to like generalisms, and particularly dislike having them applied to me. I have discovered, comparatively recently, that my anger is quickly aroused when someone presumes they know my entire motivation. Trust me: you (you, as in the world, not you in particular, moss) don't, unless I have specifically told you. It also makes me angry when I have laid out my entire motive with complete honesty, and someone still says, "Yeah, but what's your real agenda?"
E. Edit (like P.P.S., ya know): DubDub--you did a much better job than I!
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What exactly works for you, AnnaS?
And, Moss, I disagree that silence is necessarily consent. By whose absolute measure is silence consent? And, even so, is this law infallible?
Silence is silence, and, so being silent, may be construed to be either critical silence or consensual silence. But we need the facts of the situation at hand to begin to construe whether the silence had been either critical or consensual--or could have been undecided silence that lay somewhere in between. There are times in which people could experience great disapproval of words spoken, yet would remain silent, not to consent to what had been spoken, but because of the inappropriateness of expression at the moment. Consider meetings at work--team meetings, board meetings, conferences--in which co-workers or colleagues publicly express views that one considers to be unprofessional. One may remain silent in the public format of the meeting, but in private would address those concerns later and in a less humiliating venue out of fairness and sensitivity. There must be countless examples in which participants in discussions remain silent, not out of consent, but out of sensitivity to the situation--and with full intention to act at a later time upon the disagreement in a different venue.
We have the silence of Sir Thomas Moore and Jesus writing in the sand among other other instances of silence on points. And we have the law itself trying to determine what silence could have meant.
But finally we cannot interpret silence unless we question it. And since this board isn't a court of law, writing one's meaning out is a possible course to explain silence, but it is not the only course.
I would argue that interpreting silence strictly as consent is making a limited and perhaps erroneous assumption about silence.
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What exactly works for you, AnnaS?Good question, WW. I guess "ignoring" is the best term in this case. I thought your post was great. Jackie's, too. Check your E-mail
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silence is powerful 'weapon' in a battle.. in the case of an arguement, if two people disagree, and one choices silence... the arguement is ended.
the party that continues to rail, or rant or rave hasn't won the arguement..but its ended all the less-- an arguement (whether polite, and reasoned, or wild and wooly) requires two (or more) --you can't fight with your self (effectively!)
parties outside the arguement can keep silent too, and this isn't taking sides. (and escalating it) ...Parents uses silence all the time with kids bickering.. when kids realize they can 'engage a parent' by bickering.. they will bicker and fight more... so a parent's ignoring the bickering, reduces it.
but long term, parents deal with childrens arguements, by teaching them tolerence, or ways to manage.. (the classic 'sharing' strategy of one person cut (the cake, the candy bar, what ever) and the other person get first choice.)
i think, one cause of problems, is someone, acting good naturedly, who 'comes to the defence' of a other, whom he/she feels has been wronged-PUBLICLY.
i was in a work situation, where an other employee, who i got along with, and felt very comfortable with, 'mock swatted' me (on the behind) with a single sheet of paper rolled loosely into a baton. --we had a bantering type relationship, and the 'swat' while unusual, was not out of the character of our relationship.(it was also barely perceptable)
a third person saw this, and told me, 'you know you don't have take that kind of abuse from him'. i explained, i wasn't abused, and i didn't take abuse..
she persued the matter-- she claimed it made her feel uncomfortable to see me abused.. and that this guy shouldn't be permitted to abuse female employees!(no one else had any complaints about him)
--the guy nearly lost his job.. (it ruined our friendship, even though he knew i was not part of the action-) and it made everyone in the office uncomfortable..
the person who complained had been working there less than 1 month, the guy, had been there for years, 1 had worked there for 18 months or so.
I am sure she felt she was 'looking out for my interest' and 'protecting me' from this abusive man...but i didn't need her protections. she saw one interaction--not the full scope of the relationship, and decided to become a hero.
--i have worked in hostile environments, and i know what they feel like..and i have made complaints to management about abuse, (fortunately it was verbal, and not physical) but this incident has always bothered me. this poor guy went through hell, not for just cause, but because someone, not in full knowledge of the facts(of the relationship) made a snap judgement based on one 10 second interaction.
her silence.. (and the passage of time) would have made it clear to her that there was no abuse. she would still be entitled to her own opinion about the guy, and it might effect her relationship with him. but she could have watched and waited, and (as any one who knows me,knows!) she would have seen i am not a shy, submissive person, who is likely to tolerate abuse.
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