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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Expression #113800 10/16/2003 8:16 PM Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 15 Ontario, Canada davego stranger davego stranger Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 15 Ontario, Canada Looking for the source and/or correct quote of "by thy words wilt thou be known". Any help much appreciated. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Expression #113801 10/17/2003 12:47 AM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 618 Australia doc_comfort addict doc_comfort addict Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 618 Australia I think it's a bible thing - ?Matthew. And I think it was "works" originally. Where is the good Father when you need him? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Expression #113802 10/17/2003 8:35 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Or either "shalt", one. Matt 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Expression #113803 10/19/2003 5:58 AM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,624 Utter Placebo, Planet Reebok Capfka Pooh-Bah Capfka Pooh-Bah Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,624 Utter Placebo, Planet Reebok In the absence of el Padre, I have to agree both with Davego for the base expression and Doc Comfort for the correction. But I don't know where it comes from. I agree that it's parbly the bible, but where in it, Heaven (and, also certainly, el Padre) only knows! Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Expression #113804 10/19/2003 10:45 AM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont I guess you can't see Fald's reply then, eh? formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Chopped loaves and fishes aside... #113805 10/19/2003 12:47 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York YCLIU: http://bartleby.com/108/ That's OK, Faldage. At least eta and I saw and appreciated your post. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: How specific do I have to be, then? #113806 10/19/2003 7:50 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,624 Utter Placebo, Planet Reebok Capfka Pooh-Bah Capfka Pooh-Bah Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,624 Utter Placebo, Planet Reebok Yes, I did see Faldo's reply, and I disagree with it. That's (funnily enough) why I was specific about who I was agreeing with! And the KJV doesn't have the expression in any form, so maybe it wasn't the bible after all. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Is there more than one King James? #113807 10/19/2003 8:23 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York My KJV does! (???) Right there at Matt 12:37. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Folk expression: 'kiss my arse' #113808 10/19/2003 10:33 PM Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,757 maverick Carpal Tunnel maverick Carpal Tunnel Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,757 It's definitely in my Konig Iago bible all white: By thine words shalt thou be revealed as a hideous troll! Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Is there more than one King James? #113809 10/20/2003 7:38 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,624 Utter Placebo, Planet Reebok Capfka Pooh-Bah Capfka Pooh-Bah Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,624 Utter Placebo, Planet Reebok Matt 12:37 Your KJV doesn't. It's not the same term that Davego was talking about. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Is there more than one King James? #113810 10/20/2003 7:47 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 It's not the same term that Davego was talking about. "by thy words wilt thou be known". and/or correct quote For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Yeah, it's quite a stretch. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Is there more than one King James? #113811 10/20/2003 9:11 PM Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 475 manchester uk dodyskin addict dodyskin addict Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 475 manchester uk Your search - "by thy words wilt thou be known" - did not match any documents. Suggestions: - Make sure all words are spelled correctly. - Try different keywords. - Try more general keywords. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Is there more than one King James? #113812 10/20/2003 9:35 PM Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 475 manchester uk dodyskin addict dodyskin addict Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 475 manchester uk so i tried a few permutations by thine words shall thou be known by thine words wilt thou be known by thine deeds shalt thou be known By your deeds you will be known Time will tell truth will show As we exhale every breath We all got closer to our death i got a couple of other non-maiden-related hits in this sort of vein: ...I guess the other answer I would give you is that despite whether or not he has specifically said his position on South Africa or choice or other issues that I was always raised by the adage that by your deeds you will be known. And I think we have to look at not just the words and speeches but his conduct. ... by their own words shall they be known gave me a couple thousand more hits, mainly stuff like this: http://weblog.burningbird.net/fires/000916.htm and some really random sightings like: ..."By their own words shall they be known"- a recent discussion among obstetricians helps birthing women understand their view of cesarean, VBAC and birth in general. ... so, this does seem to be a fairly well known form, can't be fagged sourcing it though. take your pick as to the original, i'm going to bed, my beloved has the superbug and i'm back on super hygiene alert. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Is there more than one King James? #113813 10/21/2003 4:19 AM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 618 Australia doc_comfort addict doc_comfort addict Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 618 Australia Matthew 7:20 Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: words and fruits #113814 10/21/2003 9:31 AM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York Ha! Yet another one. Thanks, doc. I wonder if this expression has gotten all mushed together over the years, sort of like "gild the lily," but even more so (as indicated by dody's research)? Is there a term for this phenomenon? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Is there more than one King James? #113815 10/21/2003 11:42 AM Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 475 manchester uk dodyskin addict dodyskin addict Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 475 manchester uk Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. still a bit of a stretch Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Is there more than one King James? #113816 10/21/2003 11:51 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 bit of a stretch Yeah, well the lily never did get gilded, either. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter wasteful and ridiculous excess #113817 10/21/2003 12:33 PM Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 475 manchester uk dodyskin addict dodyskin addict Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 475 manchester uk I think there is a tendency to pick on a particular form, and then change the words around to suit the occasion. by your/my/his/their own words/thoughts/deeds shall/will/should/can you/I/they/she be known a sort of somber relative to punnery Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Expression #113818 10/22/2003 8:55 AM Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 15 Ontario, Canada davego stranger davego stranger Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 15 Ontario, Canada Thank you everyone for your wonderful insights. 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