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#11098 11/29/00 08:41 AM
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"He who would letterspace Italics would steal sheep"

My suspicion (but a long time since I read my last book on typography) is that italic types were deliberately based upon handwriting - and therefroe should not (in theory could not) be 'spaced'.

It was a long time before I realised that italic types were not merely mechanically slanted versions of the roman fonts. Still longer before I realised that, in theory, there cannot be such a thing as an italic non-serif (or sans serif) face. The things we learn, eh?

For what it's worth, my typesetting experiences weren't in journalism, but in advertising, during artwork preparation. Many's the time, at two in the morning, that I have been sitting at the typesetter's whilst he churned out (on a machine now made redundant by AppleMacs) yet another copy variant (justified left and right - so as to give the cut-paste artists nightmares), which we then pasted, dried, and ran with to the processing studio...

Back to work at 8 the next morning, of course - but I was younger then and simply thought of it as exciting, not exhausting.


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VER-ry in-ter-es-ting! (Sgt. Schultz) Thanks Father Steve. It's been awhile since I actually saw a type case. By the way, the well made, wooden boxes even when ink-stained are highly collectable...and handy, too. Wish I had one of the old ones that were thrown on rubbish heaps when papers went, wholesale, to Linotypes. Sigh, WOW


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Crescent rolls (croissants) are commemorative, I am told

Brilliant if true Helen! Total news to me.

belM - any ideas?
Do the sweet-toothed Quebecois have any time for boring old croissants?


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Long, long ago on my honeymoon, we did the grand tour--6 countries, 8 cities in 8 weeks.* I actually learned a lot on the trip, since it was my first time to Europe proper (visiting family in Ireland is not the same thing), and beside I was just barely of age (18! a child bride).

In Vienna at the Schoembaum (? I can't even remember how to say it, so spelling is joke) castle we were told the story of the wonderful victory of the Viennese against the infidels, how the bakers had discovered the sneak attach at 4 am or some other ungodly hour and raise the alarm. the crescent roll was a commemorative--each day the Viennese could once again devour their enemies. ( the crescent and the star being the symbol of Islam) It was fitting that the symbol to be devoured was a bread, since it was the bakers who raised the alarm.

When we got to Italy, Sienna, at the cathedral, we saw beautiful fresco's illustrating the victory, in the music room. the year was somewhere about 1500-- but it could have been earlier--(or later) the romantic parts of the story stuck in my mind, not the details.

Over time, its blurred, I now find it hard to think of Muslims as "infidels" --even with some of the religious problems that still exist in Muslim countries-- I can't think of anything that the Muslims have done, that are worse than the Spanish inquisition-- and suspect that the inquisitions ranks as one the worst things ever done in the name of religion.

And as for the crescent roll becoming a croissant, well the there was intermarriage between royal courts, and food moved too.

*London (2 weeks), Amsterdam, Vienna, Florence, Rome, Paris and Dublin, and 3 days in Cork. 6 days in each other city. A day trip to Sienna. Since then I have been back to Ireland, and to London, and off to Tokyo, but not back to the European mainland. I have gotten to see a bit of US, (but my only time in Kentucky was spent at the Nashville airport-- but your home state is on my to-do list Jackie!)


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(but my only time in Kentucky was spent at the Nashville airport-- but your home state is on my to-do list Jackie!)

Nashville is in Tennessee.


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In reply to:

Nashville is in Tennessee.


It can also be found in Arizona, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, and North Carolina.



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However, last time I checked with the research librarian at UNH there was only one Kennebunkport!


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It's been awhile since I actually saw a type case

Hmmmm. This brings up a question. When we are drawing up a label we refer to a specific font family (all the letters, numbers, signs etc in that font) as a type case. I understand, from Father Steve's and Wow's posts how it could have arrived at that meaning. Is this term used elsewhere?


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When we are drawing up a label we refer to a specific font family (all the letters, numbers, signs etc in that font) as a type case. I understand, from Father Steve's and Wow's posts how it could have arrived at that meaning. Is this term used elsewhere?

As I understand it, yes - almost anywhere that printing is involved: advertising, journalism, publishing etc. These days I've noticed it being used to describe the entire font family - sizes, italics, bold, light etc. Typographers abhor this lax usage, but hey - if it works...


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each day the Viennese could once again devour their enemies. ( the crescent and the star being the symbol of Islam) It was fitting that the symbol to be devoured was a bread, since it was the bakers who raised the alarm.

Yep, definitely has the ring of truth about it, Helen.

I think it's important to draw a distinction between commemorations and anti-<insert religion or nationality here> movements. Making and eating croissants isn't anti-Islamic any more than celebrating November 5th (which is, incidentally, tied in with the Spanish Armada/Inquisition being "at the gate") is anti-Catholic.

These commemorations are definitely standing against all that the religions/nationalities represented at the time of the relevant events - but we would hope that things have moved on since then.





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