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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread wwftd: esne #109862 08/13/2003 12:36 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York tsuwm's worthless word for the day is esne [obs. except Hist.] OE designation of a class of domestic slaves This doesn't satisfy. Which class? http://home.mn.rr.com/wwftd/ Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Re: wwftd: esne #109863 08/13/2003 1:09 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass perhaps you'd prefer this, from infoplease.com: (in Anglo-Saxon England) a member of the lowest class; laborer. (could be a serf) Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Re: wwftd: esne #109864 08/13/2003 1:09 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 It's a crossword puzzle word. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Re: wwftd: esne #109865 08/13/2003 7:23 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York Thanks a bunch, fellas. [insert your own emoticon here] Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Re: wwftd: esne #109866 08/15/2003 3:18 PM Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 5,400 rego park of troy Carpal Tunnel of troy Carpal Tunnel Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 5,400 rego park i don't know if this helps, AsP, but i ran across demesne in In The Wake of the Plague, The Black Death & The World It Made(by Norman F Cantor), which is a portion of property a lord might own, and that he could require his serf to work this land for him, in return for the rights to live and work other lands.. shares as it where... Demesne is (from american heritage) de·mesne NOUN: 1. Law Possession and use of one's own land. 2. Manorial land retained for the private use of a feudal lord. 3. The grounds belonging to a mansion or country house. 4. An extensive piece of landed property; an estate. 5. A district; a territory. 6. A realm; a domain. ETYMOLOGY: Anglo-French, respelling (probably influenced by French mesne, variant of Anglo-Norman meen, middle, in legal phrase mesne lord, lord who holds a manor of a superior lord) of Middle English demeine, from Anglo-Norman, from Old French demaine. See domain. i don't know if esne and demesne are related... but... Cantor makes the point, that after the plague, there was a labor shortage, and many serfs in effect became yeoman, and could now demand to paid to do what they had previously done as part of their 'duties' to the local lord. so no longer could a lord get his demesne worked for free.. it would seem the words are related-- tsuwm, faldage, you and others can work out how! my other obsession Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Re: wwftd: esne #109867 08/15/2003 3:39 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 it would seem the words are related AHD4 doesn't list esne but Clark Hall's Concise Anglo-Saxon Dictionary does and relates it to the Gothic aesnis. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Re: wwftd: esne #109868 08/15/2003 4:47 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass I won't bore you with the reams that OED has to say about demesne, but this looks to be one of those incroyable coincidences. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Share Post on Reddit Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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