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#109086 08/01/2003 11:24 PM
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I heard a familiar word today on the radio that was being used in a way quite unfamiliar to me

It is a typical language scenario where a noun has (by a process of synecdoche) come to stand for a complete activity, and by a back-formation has then spawned a new noun to describe the er, participants in this social activity. If I tell you that, like Sherlock, it's a case of the dog that did not bark, can you guess the term?

I believe it is a UKism, but please share if any of you know otherwise…!




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Dear mav: I got nowhere, but it sounds like fun.


#109088 08/02/2003 1:41 AM
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You know this is going to bug me until I get back to a computer on Tuesday!


#109089 08/02/2003 12:56 PM
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not 'arf!


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Dear Mav: with 33 views, and not attempts at a solution, I suggest giving us some clues.


#109091 08/02/2003 10:24 PM
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More clues? I'd be barking mad in public


#109092 08/02/2003 10:30 PM
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My guess is that whatever it is, it isn't an USnism.


#109093 08/02/2003 10:34 PM
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USnism

One of the thangs that innerested me, as a new term in my lexicon, was that initial googling threw up millions of US usages, but in a whole nother context...


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OK, mav. I suspect that "woof woof" may be a clue, because there are many other dog vocal expressions you could have used."woof" can also be a weaving term. But that does not suggest any further step to me.









#109095 08/02/2003 11:53 PM
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Dawgone it, Bill, you just want the nekkid truth or what?


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Now I suspect nudity has something to do with it. Next clue, please.


#109097 08/03/2003 1:12 AM
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This isn't phallic or anything like that, is it?


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I see no clues to that. Yet.


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nintendo?

meme/mimic/imitate/mimicry

grrr......mav, this is hopeless; your clues are way too cerebral for me...what IS this word?


#109100 08/03/2003 1:53 AM
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In reply to:

the dog that did not bark


--Maverick


Participants? Let sleeping dogs lie? Sleeping dogs don't bark. But we don't say let a sleeping dog lie, so that doesn't work.

What other 'mute' dogs are there? Nekkid mute dogs? Ha! Dawgone nekkid mute dogs? That we can noun and verb?

A nekkid dog makes me think of a mangy dog...but that doesn't necessarily make a mute dog...

Must go to sleep. It's very late now--and I expect dawgone nekkid mute dogs will jump over this tired puppy's fence tonight.

Need to let my dogs rest--living this dog's life and all that.

And don't bark up any tree for that word that rhymes with 'itch' while I'm sleeping. You'll get collared if you do.


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Malamute?



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Basenjis don't bark, but I doubt that is any help.


#109103 08/03/2003 2:59 PM
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Mav is hot dogging this one.


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Dear Musick: you remind me of a popular putdown when I was a kid:"Just because you've got mustard in your ears,don't think you are a hot dog!"


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#109106 08/03/2003 4:39 PM
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tsuwm - I won't even ask... but it was fun gettting the e-mail notification. I think it's the longest one I've ever had without pictures...


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lol tsuwm!

so should I reveal all, so to speak, or leave for awhile longer to see if anyone else wants to make a public exhibition of themselves?

<eg>


#109108 08/03/2003 6:15 PM
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should I reveal all

Might as well, if only to take us out of your misery. And the dog best not be shaggy.


#109109 08/03/2003 6:22 PM
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heh, you may not like this then!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/gloucestershire/focus/2003/07/doggin.shtml


But at least this saves our more delicate members from googling the term like I did, which tends to lead you to some, er, unusual special interest websites!



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>only "walking the dog" - nudge, nudge, wink, wink!

I knew I was on the right track with nudzh.


#109111 08/03/2003 6:56 PM
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Well...where's the novelty? Merrycans been doin' this for decades...ever hear of a drive-in? Here's a hint...not too many folks wuz watchin' the movie.

So, mav, I guess you're busy organizin' the first official team for this new *sport!


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Dear Mav: do all the. er, connections have to be made doggie style? "Please,don't make me run down past Mother's!"

P.S. the hazards metnioned did't include photgraphic blackmail. (Great pictures of us! I'll buy three sets)





















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So what exactly does the Murky idiom of 'dogging it' mean - is it something like underperforming, failing, not stepping up to the plate...?


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dogging it

Yeah I'd think that underperforming would about cover it.


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dogging it = ca'canny




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lol!

The joys of incomprehension :)


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dogging it

Yeah I'd think that underperforming would about cover it.


I think you'd have to add deliberately underperforming....because the nuance implies a sports player (for instance) is dogging it out of laziness and/or indifference...not out of a lack of ability. As in "not hustling." i.e If the fastest runner on the team takes his time and gets thrown out, then you'd say "man, he was really doggin' it." BTW, the USn idiom would seem to be dogging it...don't think I've ever heard dogging without the it.




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Am I the only one feeling somewhat anticlimactic? Mav, I wasted some good time on your poser, I'll have you know! Nintendo indeed!


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I never realized that 'dogging' something meant one was deliberately underperforming. I'll look it up tomorrow, but now it's late again.

It would be pretty interesting if dogging something really meant what you all are saying it means because hounding someone means quite the opposite: going after someone or something with dogged determination. Very, very interesting. Dog can mean both going at something with determination and going at something with no determination. I just love these linguistic idiosyncrasies.


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>Am I the only one feeling somewhat anticlimatic?

oh, I don't think so (although my post would probably have to be classified as ante-anticlimactic, or in the expectation thereof.. :)
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deliberately underperforming

That's a friendly amendment.


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My uncle told me of a use of "dogging" over a hundred years ago. Down in Belfast,ME, the city let a contract for care of the poor in a separate residence provided by a farmer.
One of the residents on the "poor farm" had a daughter who got pregnant without benefit of clergy. When the girl's father tried to arrange a "shotgun wedding" but did not own a shotgun, he was told:"Keep your bitches to home when they are dogging."


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BTW, dogging it also takes the form dog it in certain instances. i.e:

Don't dog it like that!

He dogs it all the time.

He can really dog it when he wants to.

And I've heard and used it many a time in referring to a day, for instance, when I'm feeling particularly lackadaisical and indifferent towards work:

I think I'll just dog it today.
(which could actually take another meaning of "just going through the motions" in this variation)



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"Am I the only one feeling somewhat anticlimatic? "
Was a "c" left out of that word?
Who would want to abolish climaxes?




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yeahbut® who'd want to abolish weather?

Sorry maahey! ~ but it genuinely interested me that walking the dog led to dogging led to doggers, in the linguistic progression I described.


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