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#107690 07/16/2003 12:57 PM
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I wonder if I am correct in saying that not all houses have eaves.Here's the definition I found in an architecture site:
"Eaves: The lower part of a roof which extends beyond the walls."
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Re:I wonder if I am correct in saying that not all houses have eaves.

Yes, you are. NE saltboxes in particular often don't have any eaves at all, or at best just a half inch or so drip board, not even a proper gutter and down spouts.

I am sure there are other styles that don't have eaves either!


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Eaves are the chimes of a house or chimes are the eaves of a cask.


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Dear maahey: I couldn't get anywhere trying to find the etymology of "chimes" meaning the barrel structure.And I have never seen a picture of the barrels the whalers used.
The wooden barrels still in use when I was a boy, had a larger diameter in the middle, and could be rolled without damaging a floor. But the shaping of those barrel staves was quite possibly depended on technology not available two hundred years ago; the staves have to be very accurately shaped. Straight sides were probably used on the whaling barrels, and both top and bottom mould have had to overhang.
Those barrel could not be rolled on a wooden floor without marring it. The barrels I saw as a kid also had metal rims on the top of the barrel, into which top fitted snugly. We used to get both potatoes and apples in such barrels.We had a "cold cellar" where they were kept, on north side of house, and heavy cloth over glassless window to keep out light, and let out excess moisture. Ah, the days of my youth, gone too soon!


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Here is a site with all the part of a barrel labeled:
http://www.eresonant.com/pages/history/history-barrels.html
it mostly about wine barrels.. but its a start. it shows the area called a chime.


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Dear of troy: you're a real living doll! That picture is just what I was looking for. It makes it very clear that Dana used the term "chime" inaccurately. The "head hoop" and the rivets in it were what marred the deck of the whaler. The "chime" is a sort of wooden hoop inside the "head hoops" to retain the tops and bottoms.

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5ME chimb < OE cimb3 (only in compounds); akin to Du kim, Ger kimme, an edge & ? COMB16 the extended rim at each end of a cask or barrel


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I think you may be slightly misinterpreting the picture, Bill. In all the wooden barrels I’ve drai~, er, examined, the head boards are not restrained by any interior wooden hoop. They are set in a recessed channel run around the inside edge of the staves, a few inches down from the rim. This slot is always completely straight, hence our expression “as the croze flies”

Croze
Pronunciation: krôz
Noun: A groove inside the end of a barrel or cask into which the head is set.
Etymology: French creux, from Old French crues, groove, from Vulgar Latin *crosus, perhaps of Celtic origin.

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I think the chime refers to the part of the staves which overhang the head boards.



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Maverick, you are absolutely right. It's been over seventy years since I used a couple barrel staves as very unsatisfactory skis. Now that you mention it, I remember the grooves in inside ends of staves to retain the heads.
But lood at that illustration. It does not show any of the joints of the staves in the chime, which it should have.
But still, only as a metaphor, could it be said that the chimes scarred the deck. It had to be the head hoops that did it. Yet if the barrels had much of a belly, the chimes shouldn't have touched the deck. Unless of course, lazy slobs just tilted an upright barrel, to roll it on the "chime" area, as I have myself done with steel barrels that were hard to tip up when lying on their side.That would have really scarred the deck. I just thought of something. On ship board, motionof the waves could make a barrel lying on its side a "loose cannon", so that it was safer though slower to just tilt an upright barrel a little,
and have two men roll it on the "chimes".


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barrel: chimes :: house: parapet...?

Nice site, of troy. When I first read this, I imagined chimes to be lateral extensions of the rim, almost like rim-handles. I see now, that, chimes are the contiguous extensions of the staves beyond the croze that are reinforced externally by the head hoop. Whew!


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barrel: chimes :: house: parapet...?

Sounds good, maahey. And I suppose at the other end of the barrel, er house, it would be footings?

~ or do others know this (extension of the walls beneath the floor slab level) by another term? What do all y'all call it where you are?


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aren't there chimes at both ends?



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yes, the same both ends on a barrel ~ and by analogy the parapet of a house protrudes beyond the roofline and the footings beyond the floorline?


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aren't there chimes at both ends?

Oh, dear! Are there?
Would a big oak laden barrel be stable on a thin rim? I dunno; must confess to never having seen one except in pictures. i am stupefied by my own inexperience, so please spare me....[running for cover e]

As for footings, maverick, foundation(s), is all I can think of.



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