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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread erogatory? #107157 07/07/2003 6:18 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 In thinking about "supererogatory" it occurred to me that there ought to be a word "erogatory" meaning called for, obligatory. No can find. Did find "suberogatory" defined by user as "blameworthy but not obligatory". I have trouble thinking what conduct would be both blameworth and obligatory. (The Devil made me do it)? The same site had word new to me: "deontic logic". Couln[t find "deontic" but did find dandy word "deontology": deontology n. 5< Gr deon (gen. deontos), that which is binding, necessity < dein, to bind (see DIADEM) + 3LOGY6 the ethical doctrine which holds that the worth of an action is determined as by its conformity to some binding rule rather than by its consequences de[on[to[log[i[cal 7dc 9n#t! l9j4i k!l8 adj. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: erogatory? #107158 07/07/2003 7:00 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont and derogatory? formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: erogatory? #107159 07/07/2003 7:46 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass here's what I found in OED: 1) erogate [obs.] t.v. - To pay out, expend; to distribute. No Man can Supererogate till he have first erogated. thus, erogation - expenditure, esp. in the bestowal of gifts, almsgiving 2) (didn't find suberogatory, but) subtererogation, the performance of less than is required (opp. of supererogation) 3) pretererogation, nonce-wd. [after supererogation], performance beyond or outside of what is demanded or required. it seems all of these words were pre-formed in Latin and came to us with prefixes attached, therefore erogatory would be, at best, an inkhorn term. 4) deontics [Philos.] [f. Gr. dŒom, deoms- (see deontology) + -ic.] A. n. 1. pl. [After ethics, eudemonics, etc.] (See quots.) a1866 J. Grote Moral Ideals (1876) vii. 102 A science of duty (deontics or deontology). 1906 J. S. Stuart-Glennie in Sociol Pap. II. 250 The second order of ethical sciences.. form the contents of three classes of sciences—Economics, Deontics, and Juridics. 2. sing. (See quot.) 1926 Mind XXXV. 395 Ethical arguments+should be able to exhibit their ‘deontic’ in the same way as inference reveals its ‘logic’. B. adj. Of or relating to duty, obligation, etc. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: erogatory? #107160 07/13/2003 5:46 PM Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 555 maahey addict maahey addict Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 555 1. The word, erogate, appears to have the same root word as derogate/ interrogate/ abrogate/ arrogate, etc. Onelook confirms it to be the Latin, rogare, to ask. How did erogate come to acquire its association with money? And if derogate and erogate both trickled down with their Latin prefixes intact, why, despite sharing a common root and similar-meaning prefixes, are they two completely disconnected words in current usage? 2. Why is 'subter' the prefix and not, a simple, 'sub'? To my mind, 'subter' is a Latin prefix with a distinct connotation of, something unknown or secretive. Why is it used as the antonym for supererogatory? Lovely words. wwh and tsuwm, thank you. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. (have been... ------  Words from medicine  Beheading words  Meta-words  Words from classical mythology  Animal Safari  Words with unusual etymologies  Eponyms or words derived from p...  Loanwords from German  English as a global language Print Thread Switch to Threaded Mode Show Likes Link Copied to Clipboard View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary

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