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what's a toboggan?
And all-y'all other USns, what do you understand by this word? ~ but please give Mr W a chance to answer first.
There's no trick, just a genuine question, born of DARE-type interest...
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Hope you don't mind if I jump in and clarify, Mav; not everyone may be familiar with the DARE project: DARE: Dictionary of American Regional English. http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/dare/dare.html
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Shoot, Maverick, ask me a hard one.
A toboggin ( I think you misspelt the word) is a knit hat that you pull down over your head when your ears are cold, or when you are in a mood to rob a Quick-mart store.
I have heard of athletes who toboggin in the Olympics but I don't really know the difference between a toboggin and a sled.
Why?
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Thanks, Milo ~ mind ifn I let some of your brethren and sistren from other states have a go before I comment?
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the hat Milo describes is a Ski Hat in NY-- and comes with either one slit/hole for the face or one for eyes, one for nose and one for mouth.
a tobaggin is flat sled, that seats 3 or more people, with a curved front --(a regular sled, is a flat surface(open boards, usually raised on metal runners, (the runners are shaped almost like bladed of the blade of figure (ice) skates) --radio flyer (them of little red wagon fame) also make sleds. (or see a sled in the closing minutes of citizen kane, when the flash back shows kane, as child getting a sled for christmas.. (rosebud)
sleds have moveable cross bars in front, with ropes attached, to help you stear the sled, and to pull it up the hill.
(and nowday, saucers are popular for snow.. round or oval or a rounded triangular shape, they are modern improved versions of garbage can lids--(ghetto sleds) )
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What of troy said. Michigan and New York: together forever!
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I believe that what Milo has described is a.k.a. a toboggan cap or stocking cap, which covers most of the head and face; i.e., a hat often seen worn by sledders and/or tobogganists. (not to be confused with balaclavas)
p.s. - the standard spelling for sled, slope or hat is toboggan.
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So how about Lou~uhv'l, Miss J? And anyone from the Lone Star state in the house?
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And anyone from the Lone Star state in the house?
Ain't got no hills worth the mention in Texas, Mav.
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I know the word to mean both sled and cap, as mentioned by others above. I can't say where I learned each meaning, or which came first, though.
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<<no hills worth the mention>>
Huh?
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How about input from the lone Maple Leaf country...
What O.T. said applies here too for toboggans and sleds.
BUT, this Canadian heard the word Toboggan used to describe a toque (pronounced toock with the oo sounded as in food and the ew in screw) in New Orleans a few weeks ago. A toque is a knit cap, it can have ear flaps, but it isn't a full face thing.
I was at a golf club about to play a game but it was freezing cold so I went in to see if they had anything in the pro shop to help...
Me: "Hi, do you have any toques"
She: Utterly blank look.
Me: You know, to cover my head - it's cold outside.
She: "Well, we do have toboggans."
Me: "What, like a sled?" "There's no snow."
She: "No, to cover your head."
Me (realizing there is evidently some linguistic kerfuffle happening): "Can you show me."
And there it was, a perfectly good toque.
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hah! That's great, bel.
> no hills
prezackerly ;)
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Claiming Chicago vocab here: a toboggan is but the flat sled(ge) as described by ledasdottir. Din't never hear it used fer no cap.
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and no doubt, Mav (and DARE) is trying to find the north south line where a ski cap becomes a toboggan.
so were is Juan,--south jersey? or WW or Jackie, and BobYoung. (baltimore) do we have any other mid land states contributors? (since bel has established, in N'orliens, its a toboggan,) and the north east (as far in a Michigan) its a ski cap (until you cross the boarder, and it becomes a toque.)
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The word isn't actually used here very much, there never (SIGH) being much need for either. But overall, I'd say the first thing most people would think of would be the sled def.; that type of hat is generally referred to as a knit hat. That's the way they're often advertised in stores. Though the ones I put in my great-nephews' spy kits were called watch caps.
P.S.--the first thing I think of when I see DARE is Drug Abuse Resistance Education. Made me wonder!
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> the first thing I think of when I see...
UK is University of Kaintuckeah ;)
We've had hailstones and a dusting of snow tonight, J - want I should send some over?!
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You and Anna both can send me all the snow you want to. A dusting is all we have. [utter disgust e]
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i have about 3 inches of snow*--not the dire 6 to 12 inches they threatened all day.. and no thunder or lightning.. nor much in the way of heavy winds..
but they said the worst would be about now. (midnight) and there isn't much to speak of.. i might rue my words in the morning, but for now, its not bad.
*a nor'easter has been a snow storm since the ohio valley, and moving up the coast, it should be over Wow in a few hours. (having moved north and east, from jackie, to WW, to BobYoung, to Juan, to my neighborhood, and it will continue up the coast.. (i don't know how far inland the snow is.. faldage & company might be on the inside edge, and be getting more snow, (or less) ...
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Lone Star state
Few hills and even less snow -- nevertheless, I've heard both definitions 'round here: sled and headwear.
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So do you get any sense of direct connection, Dgeigh? Specifically, is the hat reference an elided form, along the lines of "a good hat when using my toboggan" > "toboggan hat" > "... hat" > "hat"?
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Inselpeter: <<no hills worth the mention>>
Huh?
capfka: Yeah, huh? What about Guadalupe Peak? It's over 7,000 feet ...
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I’m sorry Maverick, without trying to be evasive, we get so little snow here to have the two terms used frequently enough for me to get a sense of any connection. In, fact, now that I think about it, the only time I recall hearing the two terms generally used in wintertime conversation (or any conversation, for that matter) was in 1978 – the very last time we had enough ice on the road to sled down one of the steeper hills in the city.
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Dr. Bill shared a story with me that nicely illustrated the differences between a toboggan and a sled. As I mentioned to him in my reply, the differences between the two dawned on me only after I made my earlier post above. Living in Texas as long as I have, I’ve never really had the occasion to think about it: not a lot of snow, usually more ice. After I did think about it though, I realized that when I heard the word ‘toboggan’ used to mean a winter vehicle, it was applied to a sled!
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