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01/30/2001 4:20 PM
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Cricket fraternity in-jokeMax, do you mean to tell me there was something not cricket about a test match?  
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#17187
01/30/2001 4:33 PM
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> when Marino's 49ers were divine.
I knew you kiwis lived in an alternate universe!
[Marino toiled his whole career for miami, da fins]
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01/30/2001 4:47 PM
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Poe's last years.
Actually, he was not living in Baltimore when he died; he was here on a visit.
I should share with you one of the urban legends which makes Baltimore the place it is.
Poe is buried in the churchyard of what used to be Westminster Presbyterian Church, located in downtown Baltimore. It was originally (early 1800's) on the edge of the city, but, of course, the city has grown up around it. The church went out of business about 40 years ago for lack of communicants and the building and the churchyard are now owned by the U. of Maryland Medical School, which abuts it. An old story, which is not denied by the U. of Md., is that in the early days, when it was illegal to dissect human remains, the faculty of the med. school secretly dug a tunnel from the school to the cemetery so they could steal corpses for the students to dissect, and the tunnel is still in existence.
With that suitably Poesque prologue:
The churchyard is not large and Poe's grave is quite visible from the street, being marked by a fair-sized monument. It is surrounded by a wrought iron fence; the gates are never closed. Since the late 1940's, every year on Poe's birthday, a mysterious visitor, clad in a top hat and black cloak, visits the grave in the middle of the night and leaves a red rose and a half-full pint bottle of brandy on the grave. When this attracted attention, the church (later the University) arranged that there should be no publicity, and no interference with the visitor. The local newspapers staked out the area, but never succeeded in getting a photo; only a very vague description of the visitor's clothes. If anyone ever did know who the visitor is, it has never been revealed. Several years ago, the newspaper did receive an anonymous letter the night after the visit, explaining that the original visitor had died and the job was handed down to his sons, who have kept it up. Poe's birthday, and the visit, is in mid-January. This year, a sacrilege was committed; the visitor also left behind a sheet with two quotations from Poe stories wrapped in ribbons of the NY Giants colors (the Ravens' opponents in the Superbowl), all of which indicated that the visitor was a Giants fan!! It does not amaze me that there could be such a custom, after all this is Baltimore; what is amazing is that nobody has yet ruined it by gathering a crowd on the appropriate night or trying to apprehend and identify the visitor.
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#17189
01/30/2001 4:55 PM
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On the original subject of this thread
Something I heard on the radio this morning reminded me of three old favorites:
the archaic 'shew' and 'strew', pronounced respectively 'show' and 'strow'; and 'thresh', pronounced (at least hereabouts) 'thrash'.
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#17190
01/30/2001 4:56 PM
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This reminds me...in my family, we often mispronounce words on purpose, among ourselves, just for fun. The problem begins when we consistently do this. It becomes difficult to pronounce these words properly when surrounded by "real" people. One of my favourites is "hors d'oeuvres", which we always say "HOARS doovers". Also "connoisseur" is "kon-OY-sser". Very embarassing, when I say it to non-family members, who then think I must be ignorant!
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#17191
01/30/2001 5:15 PM
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Bean, we do that too. My husband now has me saying "modren" for "modern," whether I intend to or not. Harumph.
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01/30/2001 5:56 PM
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I remember years ago never using "hors d'oeuvres" when speaking since i didn't know how to pronounce it.
A friend who was a teacher played the same sort of game as Bean-- only he called them Horse's ovaries--and I was aplumb! i was sure that wasn't how the word was pronounced-- but didn't know how to correct him! he realized my quandry from the look on my face-- and thought it was as much fun as his misprounciation-- We always had horse's ovaries after that!
I find rather than mis pronouncing a word-- there where words -prior to spell check that i never used in writing--
for example i also used to "opt for" or make "a choice" never decide-- since i could never decide how to spell it- was it dec or dic or des or des-- and the advice "look it up" was usless! you have to have a clue as to how a word is spelt to look it up! I never thought as a dictionary as a spelling tool-- it was a word warehouse-- you could browse and find wonderful words--a free for the taking. but if you didn't know how to spell a word-- forget it!
i do remeber reading about a NY guy from Puerto Rico, who when he first went to school in NY, and had a Christian brother for a home room teacher--and mis read Brother Malachi's name as Mal lea chee--(as it would be said in spanish--) not Mal a key. It seem perfectly reasonable to me, since i had trouble with Jose when i first encountered it-- (Joe see--it seemed to me!)
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#17193
01/30/2001 6:11 PM
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Damn! Thank you SO much tsuwm! You're calling me on that one mistak means that I will now have to resit the entire infallibility exam, before they wil even consider my application for bridge-builder maximus.
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01/30/2001 6:29 PM
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>I will now have to resit the entire infallibility exam dear maxie, knowing you as I do, I initially read that as resist... 
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#17195
01/30/2001 6:37 PM
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I initially read that as resist
Aargh! My sea of troubles gets deeper and deeper. First I learn that it is I, and only I, who has not the ear of Anu, and now I learn that the absence of typos in my posts is so rare as to make such a post difficult to read. Where the hell is a bodkin when you need one(interrobang)
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#17196
01/31/2001 4:20 PM
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Robertson Davies, one of my favourite authors, has a great bit in one of his books along those same lines... One uneducated character is claiming that he is actually related to a recently deceased guy, and therefore has claims on his estate, because when his mother was alive she had an affair with this guy, and had the only "organism" of her life - therefore somehow confirming that he was conceived at that moment. The other (real) relatives of the dead guy, when discussing this situation, keep jokingly referring to "organisms" instead of "orgasms" and they realize that they are beginning to use the new word instead! (Now any time I see the word "organism" I smile to myself...) 
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#17197
01/31/2001 5:05 PM
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OK byb I will try to type the answer to your post. ""if grisly is pronounced like the bear or to rhyme with rice-lee."" I learned to read and spell using phonics and it seems that it was phased out years ago and is only now making a comeback. SO--- GRISLY rhymes with is-lee (not ice-lee or rice lee) and GRIZZLY rhymes with whiz-lee or fizz-lee.  enthusiast
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#17198
01/31/2001 5:15 PM
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OK DS, your dad was partly correct by saying its easy. But had he learned phonics----it would have been a breeze for him--- "arm--a--ged--don. )The trick to spelling and pronoucing with phonics is to break the big word down to many little words and every syllable has to have a vowel--but like learning to walk when you are a baby----learning to read, spell and pronounce words with phonics is much easier from the very beginning--from learning "ON" we can then go to "bon, con, don and then to bond, pond, fond etc. (But if I am wrong on this, please don't hesitate to correct me---I am NOT a teacher!! enthusiast
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01/31/2001 5:35 PM
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reading all these "misled awry" posts, strikes another connection that all of us AWADS have in some form or another----words etc---- """But then, I pronounce the "t" in often (which my Korean conversation students always gave me hell about), and before I sew a garment, I have to take the wearer's MAY-zhur-ments. """ This is the beauty of listening to each persons accents--or (another person's point of view) (Some can take it--some can't stand it) for instance I think "MAY zhur ments" sounds beautiful but it is actually pronounced "mea (with a short e like in men and silent a)---hence "mea - sure - ments. Therefore, I think that since the rest of the world is learning English starting in 5th grade---we in the USA should make it mandatory to learn another language starting in 5th and continuing til 12th---What a great world this would be!!!!(More compassionate, literate, and understanding, etc) Anyone agree with me???? enthusiast
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01/31/2001 5:50 PM
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CRICKET---brings to mind my German exchange student last year, an extremely intelligent young man, who learned to read and speak Hungarian at age 5, pronouncing crooked as "cricket" I did tell him the correct pronounciation but somehow it never stuck, and saying "cricket" for "crooked" just melted my heart every time. enthusiast
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01/31/2001 7:40 PM
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Therefore, I think that since the rest of the world is learning English starting in 5th grade---we in the USA should make it mandatory to learn another language starting in 5th and continuing til 12th---What a great world this would be!!!!(More compassionate, literate, and understanding, etc) Anyone agree with me????Indubitably. At high school, one of my classmates was a new immigrant from Finland, where she said that they had to learn English, Finnish, Russian, and Swedish, and were also obliged to choose two other languages from a list of options. Hptelingual she may have been, but she hated the English pronunciation of sauna. She simply could not help herself - every time she heard "sawna", she would respond "it's sow(female pig)na", much as I now find myself doing with Braun and Audi. 
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01/31/2001 8:11 PM
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[Max] Your classmate in High school gets a trophy. Learning Russian, Swedish, English and her own native language---Finnish-as a young high schooler was not easy/ For most people this attempt would be equivalent to attempting to climb Mount Everest. I had just read where the Hungarian Language was so difficult, they were going to abolish it. But did not because it is soooo unique and not other language is like it, except Finnish---which really is not exactly like it---but sort of related. And then there is the Russian Alphabet---totally unique. So I would forgive her for pronouncing sau - na the same as Braun and Audi. I am learning German, while the grammar structure is difficult, and sentence structure even more so---the pronunciation is much easier than English. enthusiast
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01/31/2001 8:20 PM
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How did we go from Hors d'oevres to Horse Ovaries, and then from organisms to orgasms and may I add another one? How about condominiums and condoms. Somehow when reading, it is difficult to separate them!!!! Oh and I just thought of another one---my 10 year old has "Sax lips" and somehow I am wondering about his future in high school, when the girls see this hunky, built like a brick, blond football player playing a sax. I am not sure they will think "sax lips".!!!??? enthusiast
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01/31/2001 8:43 PM
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>...she said that they had to learn English, Finnish, Russian, and Swedish, and were also obliged to choose two other languages from a list of options. Hptelingual she may have been...Hptelingual? Do you mean, Max, that she had great language skills, but suffered from dyslexia and innumeracy?
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01/31/2001 9:07 PM
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Do you mean, Max, that she had great language skills, but suffered from dyslexia and innumeracy? Nope. I simply realised that, as tsuwm indicated in one of his replies to a post of mine, y'all expect a profusion of typos in my posts, and so, heptalingual became hptelingual. Oh for an Athlon 1.4GHz with 768 MB RAM and Dragon Naturally Speaking Preferred V 5.0 - then my posts might almost be legible!
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01/31/2001 10:24 PM
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So I would forgive her for pronouncing sau - na the same as Braun and Audi.
As did I. I may have mangled my meaning, but that is how the word should be pronounced, apparently. The Finnish au dipthong is the same as in German, it would seem.
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02/01/2001 1:37 AM
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There was a national news broadcast on which the announcer used the word "intricacies" with the accent on "tric." Me, I have trouble with the word "pious" - I think of it as rhyming with "see us," but I've heard it with a long i as well. Is my pronunciation maybe an alternate pronunciation, or am I just wrong?
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02/01/2001 1:30 PM
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You did just fine Max. I mangled my posts something fierce.for pronouncing sau - na the same as Braun and Audi.
"""As did I. I may have mangled my meaning, but that is how the word should be pronounced, apparently. The Finnish au dipthong is the same as in German, it would seem."""
This is exactly what I was trying to say-----I am so sorry. I also want to say that many times people are not so tolerant. "Honey attracts more flies than vinegar" I have lots of honey, but it seems it is never in the right place at the right time!!!!
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02/01/2001 1:48 PM
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I would make it rhyme with "fly us". Pie-us. (Hard to spell phonetically.)
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02/01/2001 2:53 PM
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bikermom says, "And then there is the Russian Alphabet---totally unique. "
Not entirely, you know. I learnt the cyrillic alphbet some years ago and was amazed, when I was in Islington, London to find myself reading, without much difficulty, the words embazoned on the side of a van parked there. It belonged to a Greek shop, of which, in that quarter of London, there are many.
It was the Greek Missionaries who introduced a written language to Russia, back in mediæval times, applying the Greek alphabet to the spoken Russian. They had to invent a few symbols for sounds used in Russia but not in Greece. The alphabet is named cyrillic after St Cyril (pronounced with a K-sound, not an S), although it was originaly called glagolytic (and I can't for the life of me think why - but someone out there will know!)
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02/01/2001 4:35 PM
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pronounced with a K-sound, not an S
Do you mean this is true of cyrillic, as well as the blessed saint?
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02/01/2001 4:36 PM
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intricacies
You just hit on another of my betes noirs, the word "applicable". How many AWADers make this "apPLICKabel" and how many (like me) "AP-plicable"?
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02/03/2001 8:03 PM
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So Tovarich Uchitel gave me to understand
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02/06/2001 11:31 PM
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I think I usually say apPLICable. I think I hear it more than I say it, though, and I'm not really sure how I say it.
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