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#110799 08/25/2003 1:56 AM
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Okay--I know that you-all and y'all are peculiar (make that my idiolect, if you will) to the Southeastern United States. To say nothing of the even stranger-sounding your-all's. But--there are other times when I use the word all, and I've just sort of assumed the following types of uses are common everywhere: 1.) "You had a party--who all was there?" 2.) "You went different places--where all did you go?" 3.) "You had plans with a friend--what all did you do?"
Does anybody else here use this word in this way?


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Does anybody else here use this word in this way?

Looks like y'all is all alone, Jackie.




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>"You had a party--who all was there?"

Not at all uncommon in my small world.


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Who all...common.

What all...sometimes.

Where all...usually only if somebody went on a long trip.


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they all seem pretty norm-all to me.



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Michigan is not notorious for using you all or y'all but you hear it now and again, mainly from infected snowbirds. Who all, where all and what all are more common.


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sounds a bit bonkers to me I'm afraid, one might say, "I went to see some friends"/ " what did you all do ?( together)" but that's not really the same is it?
Is it something called quantifier float? I think that a similar thing is found in Northern Ireland


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I've heard all three but I'm not sure geographically where all, having been around a bit.


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where all Well, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one, then!


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I use 'em all, Jackie. And I'm always delighted to hear one of Andy Griffith's old monologues when he'll describe a scene, ending it with "...and I don't know hwat all."


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1.) "You had a party--who all was there?"
Never! "You had a party--who was there?" No all at all!
2.) "You went different places--where all did you go?" 3.)
Rarely, more often, You went different places--where did you all go?" 3.) (the all got moved closer to the verb)

3.) "You had plans with a friend--what all did you do?"
Rarely, most often, the all gets dropped-- sometimes it gets moved as in sample 2
"You had plans with a friend--what did you (all) do?"

and the you all structure never gets slured to y'all --each word is seperate, and the all is un-accented.


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where all did you go

where did you all go?"

Means two different things. Same with what all … you and what … you all


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hmmmm, d'you think it might be like 'at all' as in " what at all did you do?" or "who at all was there?" ? praps these things are related no?


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like 'at all'


Huh?


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where all did you go

where did you all go?

Means two different things.

Not when Helen and her ilk say it. No Noo Yawker is gonna say "you all" in the sense us Southerners do, Mr Faldage.

Is "all" an adverb here? I'm a little confused but I understand what Helen meant. Just can't convey it.


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thanks, AsP, you are right, NY do say it, it has to do with the rhythm, and flow of the sentence.. a southern you all becomes a y'all, (the all gets a 'major beat') but in NY, the tempo of the speaching changes, and the all is a minor beat..

the words are almost the same, but sound is totally different!
(i have real problems with this sort of thing- which is why i don't much like books with 'idolectic' speach-- wodehouse comes to mind-- when i read it, it was gobbledly gook, not funny. years later when the BBC/london TV made some shows, i and got to hear the dialogs, i realize they were funny...)

I had to talk out loud to see if i used/where i used all--and it was a total 'different sentence..
i had trouble with Lenny Bruce too, till i finally heard him. reading his words off an ablum cover, i thought, there is nothing the least bit sexy/racy about this.. and then i heard how he spoke them.. i didn't hear the double entendre's, I never saw the meaning behinds the words till i heard them spoke. I think it might be part of my dyslexia... or maybe i am just slow-goodness knows its not because i am prudish!


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Irregardless of whether or not helen would or wouldn't use you all like a Southerner would or not, the first means what places did you (whether you is singular or plural is irregardless its own se'f) go. The emphasis is on the list of places the questionee went and the assumption is that there was more than one place. The second means where did the entire mass of you (in this case you is explicitly plural) go. There is no assumption of any more than one place having been gone to but it *is assumed that more than one person went and that they all went as a group.


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Love hearing Southern spoken but no "all" here in New England Jackie - except "what all" spoken as two clear distinct words. As in "Mary went to buy school supplies, and bought pencils, pens, paper, book covers and I don't know what all ....." and if it's Moma speaking a sort of amazement at the amount of $$$ it cost!


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You might hear all three phrases in my neighbourhood although they are not all that common. I would use them for emphasis as in I want all the details.


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and -- i think this would be used in NE, too, where with all which is money... as in:
Kid: We went to Micky D's after school and had shakes and fries.

Mom: And where did you get the where with all to do that?


I don't know, but i think it may be a UK expression that is also used anyplace in US where there are enough irish to have had an impact on speach and idioms.


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Helen, that's one one word, wherewithal. M-W says that, as a conjunction, it's a combination of where and withal, and dates from 1534. Used as a noun for dosh, it dates from 1809.


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thanks max, i'll start scrapeing the egg off my face as soon as i finishing typing this..
(exit to egg removal)


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All (heh) of this discussion reminds me of the many times we have talked about longings for words that indicate various nuances of meaning; the thread about one to distinguish a homosexual marriage is the most recent one that comes to mind. Helen, Anna and Faldage were right: your second and third examples have a different meaning from mine. At least here, they would. I read yours as meaning the plural sense of 'you', whereas mine were purposefully singular.

Though you-all (emphasis on the you, hi mav :-) ) is not standard grammar by any means, I do like being able to have my listeners (em, well, 'round these parts, anyway) know for a fact that I'm meaning a singular or plural you, just as I know their meaning. Come to think of it, I reckon I'm lucky to live in this fairly narrow band of North-Southness; not too much further south from here, y'all is also used in the singular sense. But not here, and I'm glad. If I were intending to find out, say, every stop the group made on their trip, I'd say, "Where all did you-all go". However, that grates a bit even on my Southern-fried ears; normally I would hope that context would allow me to just say 'you' and the listener would know I meant the group.
But yes, Faldage, you were right when you said The emphasis is on the list . Dody, I've never heard anybody put the 'at' in there, but I suspect your examples mean the same as mine. If your class had had a party and you hadn't gone, the next day you might ask a classmate, "Who at all was there?". If you meant that you wanted your friend to tell you the name of each person that attended, then yes, that would be the same as me asking, "Who all was there?"



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