#84840
10/26/2002 2:32 PM
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Anybody have any idea where the phrase "I don't hold any truck with..." comes from?
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#84841
10/26/2002 2:55 PM
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it's just a gradual transferrence of the other sense of truck:
1. a. The action or practice of trucking; trading by exchange of commodities; barter. Often in truck (for, †of), by truck for.
b. transf. and fig.
c. with a and pl. (a) A traffic, trade. (b) An act of trading; a bargain or deal.
2. The payment of wages otherwise than in money; the system or practice of such payment, the truck system (see 5); in quots. 1879, 1911, goods supplied in lieu of wages.
3. a. ‘Traffic’, intercourse, communication, dealings. Now usu. in negative contexts: to have no truck with (a person or thing), etc.
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#84842
10/26/2002 3:22 PM
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Okay--I am at a loss for several things in this definition.
What is that weird symbol like a cross, in between 'for' and 'of'?
transf. and fig.
Transferatively (!) and figuratively?
with a and pl.
I finally realized that the 'a' refers to the 'a' as in 1.a. (Doesn't it?) But what's pl.? Plus? Plural (my first thought)? But why would you say 'with definition a plus the following? Why wouldn't you just list them right after 'a'?
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#84843
10/26/2002 3:57 PM
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>What is that weird symbol like a cross, in between 'for' and 'of'?
that's OED's symbol for 'obsolete'; the usage "in truck of" is obsolete: "To.. sell them [negroes] in the West Indyes in trvcke of golde peirels and Esmeraldes." [in trade for]
>Transferatively (!) and figuratively?
transferred sense used figuratively:
"Precedence went in truck, And he was competent whose purse was so." [trading something intangible]
>with a and pl.
the article 'a': "This for That, is rather a Truck than a Benefit."
keep in mind that this 'truck' is not the same as the mode of transportation, which has rather a different etymology.
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#84844
10/26/2002 4:11 PM
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re:keep in mind that this 'truck' is not the same as the mode of transportation, which has rather a different etymology.
It does? i thought the two meaning divirged from "truck farms" (truck meaning trade farms.. in the 1950, NJ was still so rural, (even the north end) that its prime industry was truck farmers... i.e., farmers who traded there own goods.. and it was in the 1950's i learned truck can = trade goods/trading.)
(See WO'N, i know NJ really used to be a garden state!)
and from there, the meaning of truck (trading)transfered to the vehicles (flatbed trucks) that were use to move the goods. (and other type of trucks for transportation, (hand trucks, and general vehicles)
so if truck (vehicle) is not a transfered meaning from truck (trade goods/trading) where is it from?
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#84845
10/26/2002 4:27 PM
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well, both words predate the truck in truck-farm--it's rather complex, which is why I didn't post it in the first place, but let me see if I can boil it down:
truck(1) [barter] stems [ultimately] from OF. trocher, in med.L. trocare, to barter
truck(2) stems [ultimately] from Gr. trochus(?), to run (the motor vehicle is just one of many senses, e.g., the wheels on a gun carriage, a wooden-block on a ship's mast, the axle on a skateboard, a dance...)
now, I'm not sayin' there's no [ultimate] connection between the two, but it would seem to go back a ways.
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#84846
10/26/2002 4:50 PM
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The sign that looks like a cross, is widely used in animal experiments reports to indicate
that the number of animals it is associated with died. As though a grave marker had been
erected.
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#84847
10/26/2002 4:55 PM
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keep on truckin'! 
formerly known as etaoin...
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#84848
10/26/2002 7:19 PM
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this 'truck' is not the same as the mode of transportation, which has rather a different etymology. Oh, I knew that--I've heard the expression often. Thanks for the explanations; they helped. :-)
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#84849
10/26/2002 8:36 PM
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#84850
10/27/2002 1:37 PM
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"I don't hold any truck with..."
I've always heard (and used):
"I won't have any truck with.."
Transpondial again?
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