#84501
04/10/2003 3:49 PM
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You're safe with Samuel Barber at the pen.
Thanks for the link, maahey.
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04/10/2003 4:44 PM
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I remember those pea-soupers in London. I loved them - they had a particularly disgusting smell, but you couldn't see your own hand stretched out, and the sounds of the streets were amplified. It was also very strange how the fog swirled around outside, but did not really have much effect indoors. I remember standing by the front door at my granny's house, with it wide open, to try to get the fog to come in and fill all the rooms up, but it didn't. I was just a small girl then, but have clear memories of the smog.
I wanted to say how astonishing I find it that mostly (unless you are up in the mountains) clouds start at such a convenient height above the ground. They contain so much water. They weigh thousands of tons. It is a pretty amazing thing that they don't come crashing down. And if clouds usually 'lived' on the ground, presumably animal life would never have bothered to develop eyes, as we would all have been living in a permanent fog. (This is setting sunny days aside, of course). Nations would not have emerged, as we would have had a completely different view of territory. I am not a religious person, but I do think this is a miraculous whim of whoever or whatever created us. All of life would have been completely different.
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04/10/2003 5:32 PM
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and a very big welcome to you, Griselda! 
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04/10/2003 11:02 PM
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Hi Griselda
and just think, there wouldn't be rainbows!!!
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04/11/2003 8:16 AM
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...and we'd all be fitted with fog horns. Hi Griselda, a nice picture.
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04/11/2003 9:44 AM
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I had a very strange (to me anyway) occurrence with rain some years ago. I was standing in the middle of my street, chatting with aneighbor, when I suddenly heard a stampede of feet running down the street towards us. I looked down the street, ready to bolt from the "stampede", and saw instead a wall of rain fast approaching. I could actually see where it was already wet, just a few houses down, and yet we were standing there perfectly dry......for another few seconds, anyway.
Of course I know rain has to start and stop somewhere, so that was not what was strange......it was the speed with which it approached, and the surreal idea that it was a stampede of feet (on a very quiet dead-end street) that was so bizarre.
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04/11/2003 1:55 PM
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i remember a storm just like that once when i was a child..
it had gotten over cast, rain was predicted, we were heading home from a local beach, and stuck in traffic..
the road ahead was a hill, and we could see the rain coming like a sheet of water... the car ahead of us was a convertable, and we watched them scramble to get the hood up, (or advance to a near by underpass...) they didn't quite make it, the wall of water advanced fast than they could move! I have never been in storm like that since.
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04/11/2003 1:59 PM
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I may be reaching YART territory here, but I pumped gas at the unleaded pump once, while the regular pump was getting drenched.
Nebraska had some of the best storms...
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#84509
04/11/2003 7:22 PM
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>Nebraska had some of the best storms...
Which reminds me of something I mentioned to a friend here recently. I have noticed that some people from the Atlantic seaboard of the US feel that they must assert their eligibiilty for earthquakes On another board somewhere else, a person from a part of the States not known for seismic activity was quick to point out all the faultlines in the eastern part of the US, saying more or less, "hey, we can have quakes too". This is an interesting phenomenon that I have now seen in at least two different web boards. In one instance, an Easterner jumped into a discussion about quakes that I was having with a Californian. This desire to insist that the East Coast is not excluded from the "earthquake club" makes me smile, because the eagerness thus displayed to claim seismic activity indicates very strongly that the claimant has never experienced a real quake. If they had, they would not feel that it was something to brag about.
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#84510
04/11/2003 7:29 PM
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assert their eligibiilty for earthquakes
"The fault, Dear Brutus, lies not within our stars, but in our _____"
Help, all you clever people - this cries out for a punchline!
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#84511
04/11/2003 8:21 PM
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I have experienced two earthquakes here in Central Ohio. Neither very strong, but a reminder that this can happen elsewhere from the Pacific Rim area. And no, it didn't make me want to boast about it - I sure wish we couldn't have quakes here, we already got tornadoes.
What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy? -Ursula K. Le Guin, author (1929- )
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04/11/2003 8:41 PM
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something to brag about.
ah, good point, sjm. I hadn't thought about it in quite that way. though I spent many a summer night in the basement, waiting for the tornado warnngs to end, my experiences were always relatively uneventful. watching thunderstorms roll in on a 30-40 minute schedule, able to see them several miles off, then getting drenched for about five minutes... the bluest skies that followed... pure enjoyment of the physical world realm...
I have also experienced a couple of small temblors, again, no damage, just some crazy shaking and a sonic rumble that permeated my soul...
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04/11/2003 8:44 PM
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> I sure wish we couldn't have quakes here,
Amen. I've grown up with quakes, and I still hate them. The town I grew up in, Rotorua, has dozens of small tremors each year, the city my father grew up in, Quetta, was devastated by a quake in 1935, and the town I now live in, Hastings, was badly damaged by one in 1931, so I have a long family history of being on shaky ground. Your reply proves my point - that those who have not experienced signiifcant quakes are not missing out on anything.
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#84514
04/13/2003 3:17 PM
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Hi! Enjoying this thread. We call the long, steady rain "well fillers."
Whereas the short bursts of heavy rain that run off rather than sinking into the earth are called "frog chokers."
Have felt only minor tremors as far as earthquakes go - here in New Hampshire - and am in no hurry to feel a "real" quake. What concerns me about the New England "faults" is that one runs right under the Seabrook Nuclear Power Plant -just about four miles away as the crow flies across the salt water marsh!
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#84515
04/14/2003 12:25 AM
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A belated welcome to you, Griselda. Mmmm, the very thought of Kent makes me smile a secret smile...
Something tells me that I would not enjoy a pea-souper; certainly not unless I knew the territory VERY well. What makes it smell, do you know? That's cute, the image of a small girl inviting the fog in!
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#84516
04/14/2003 12:23 PM
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Welcome, Griselda - it's good to see some more support from this side of the pond. jmh, dxb and I have been doing our best to withstand the hordes of USns, with some timely help from dodyskin when required, but we are a bit thin on the ground - and infiltrated by Zildians right in the heart of our country! Hi Capfka! You're right - I can still smell and taste pea-soupers! Very distinctive! [aside to Jackie] It was a sulphurous sort of smell,as though the seven-fold gates of hell had been unfolded to allow Lucifer and Beëlzebub to foray forth to harry the earth! Caused by too many coal-burning fires in an area prone to temperature inversions across a damp valley[/aside to J]
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04/14/2003 12:34 PM
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RE:a sulphurous sort of smell,as though the seven-fold gates of hell had been unfolded
to those who know, this won't be a surprise, but i actually like the smell of sulfur..(well, mild sulfur odors..)
as a child, our family doctor was very careful with anti-biotics, and generally did not prescribe them, but prescribed sulfur based compounds... they were chalky and grey (later they added a chocolate flavor, but it didn't really cover the sulfur taste up)
my pavlovian response is to associate sulfur with good things (ie, the sore throat feeling better, the fever passing)
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04/14/2003 1:12 PM
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That figures, helen.
In the days just before I was born, the local doctors used to prescribe that children with Whooping Cough be stood in the Gas Retorts at the Gas Works, just after they had been emptied. The smell of sulphur would have been very intense and the fumes would have made them cough and gasp, to say nothing of their eyes watering. However, it apparently worked as a cure.
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04/14/2003 1:15 PM
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If you like the smell of sulphur and sulphur-like odorous gasses, I suggest you shift to Rotorua, New Zealand. The place smells like a fart that just never goes away ... Some say it's due to a digestion problem that the mayor has had for years, but most people settle for the obvious - the geothermal zones in the area. The one most people go to is Whakarewarewa. I used to think that it was the home of the Weretewhakawi tribe, but sjm has disabused me of the notion. 
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04/14/2003 1:18 PM
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shift to Rotorua, New Zealand. The place smells like a fart
Sure you didn't leave out a t in that town name, Pfranz? Rotoruta?
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04/14/2003 1:54 PM
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Nope, absolutely certain, Faldo. Never misplace things like stray "t"s. According to sjm I DO misplace "a"s in things Maori, especially "Maori"!
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04/14/2003 2:00 PM
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Anyone can be forgiven for getting their "aah"s in the wrong place occasionally - but no-one should ever mislay their tea.
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04/14/2003 2:12 PM
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Seems I missed this thread twice, now...back in October, too. Always loved weather, so I've enjoyed all the offerings. fogWhen I worked as a mate on a tour boat here we where out on the ocean with the usual large group when a fog rolled in out-of-nowhere, as they often do on the coast. but this was the thickest pea-soup I ever saw. You literally almost couldn't see your hand extended in front of your face...out on the water the fog is much more opaque then on land, even right at the coast. The Captain couldn't see a thing...literally. And this was a good-sized boat, too, the size of a PT Boat. I knew we were in real trouble when the Captain summoned me to the bridge and told me, and the other hands, we had to go to the bowsrpit and keep lookout for other boats. The fog was so blinding there was really nothing to see...I literally couldn't see past the edge of the boat, it was like staring into a blind whiteness. I had heard of such paralysing maritime fogs in literature and meteorological writings, but I never experienced it first-hand. And, folks, it is truly frightening. I knew there was no way we could detect an approaching vessel in time. And this was back in the late 70's before a lot of today's new sound technologies 9though I doubt anything new would help in a situation like this). The Captain just kept blaring his fog horn. And he couldn't head for the inlet because we couldn't see the mile-long jetties there...and the thought of those rocks was always on your mind. Were we near them? We meandered around out there for almost an hour before the fog thinned enough to navigate towards shore again...a truly scary moment. Wouldn't want to go through it again. It was then I learned the significance of the refrain Eugene O'Neill (who spent much time at sea in his youth) used through the character of Kris Kristofferson, an old seaman, in his play Anna Christie..."Dat ol' devil fog." (and a foghorn is an important sound effect, constantly in the background, in Long Day's Journey Into Night. (BTW, I grew up, here in New Jersey, to the expression "thick as pea soup" or "it's as thick as pea soup out there" whenever there was a particulary heavy fog, and driving was dangerous.) slanted rainHere on the East coast we get swiped by many Tropical Storms and minimal hurricanes. I remember my first experience with a Tropical Storm (sustained winds of up to 70 miles per hour with higher gusts and torrential rains) was in July of 1972 when I was vacationing here in Wildwood, NJ. A group of us had gone to an Elton John concert at the Wildwood Convention Hall on the Boardwalk that night which didn't cancel out despite the heavy weather. After a great concert, and a 20 minute encore of Take Me To The Pilot..."na!na!na!, na!na!na!"...(and a few of the usual party embellishments ), we walked out of the hall and onto the boardwalk in the driving wind and rain...and just hung there, suspended, at a 45% angle, the stinging pellets of rain driving into our faces in a horizontal fusillade like machine-gun bullets. Cool!  I'll never forget it. Since then, whenever there's a Tropical Storm, or a minimal hurricane brushing the coast, we'd always try to capture that same experience, but, somehow, it's never quite the same as that night... earthquake braggadocioThink you may be reading that "brag" into posting by Easterners about earthquake faults in this region, sjm. While I'm a geology and meteorology buff, and know these faults are extant, and the damage they have done in the past, through studies...and sometimes like to mention their existence as a point of geological accuracy, I have no desire to experience an earthquake and would love it if these East Coast faults weren't extant at all. The main point is, most folks don't know the danger exists, and an East Coast quake, with most cities not built to withstand a tremor (no earthquake codes), could be a disaster and horror, depending on the intensity of the quake, which, I, for one, hope to never witness or experience. Not to mention the prospect of quake generated tsunami tidal waves when I live practically on the beach [shudder]...no thanks. (I'd rather keep playing Russian Roulette with hurricanes...at least you get a running start)
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04/14/2003 3:43 PM
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Despite frequently visiting parts of the world prone to earthquakes I am glad to say that I have not experienced an earthquake, but I have a couple of tales.
Our Chief Engineer flew into San Francisco early afternoon on October 17th 1998, went straight to his hotel (Hyatt-Regency I think) and went to sleep about 4.00pm. At breakfast next morning in response to a question from the waiter he said “Earthquake? I didn’t notice.” It’s just possible that this is apocryphal – but I suspect not.
I was sitting in a conference room in Indian Wells a few years ago listening to a presenter talking about the failure mode of various types of buildings during earthquakes. At one point the presenter showed a coloured map of the Coachella Valley, which includes Palm Springs and Indian Wells. There were many more or less parallel red lines on the chart. Pointing at these he told us that these were active fault lines. Then pointing at a spot where many of these lines came together to make a wide red band he said, “This is under where you are all sitting right now.” There was a silence – then a voice from the back called out, “If I don’t stay for dinner do I get a refund?” Everyone laughed, but there were some uneasy glances exchanged.
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04/14/2003 7:17 PM
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If you like the smell of sulphur and sulphur-like odorous gasses, I suggest you shift to Rotorua, New Zealand. The place smells like a fart that just never goes away ...
Some say it's due to a digestion problem that the mayor has had for years, but most people settle for the obvious - the geothermal zones in the area. The one most people go to is Whakarewarewa. I used to think that it was the home of the Weretewhakawi tribe, but sjm has disabused me of the notion.
Having been born there, I never smelled its distinctive aroma until we moved away when I was 10. A month or so after laving we came back for a weekend, and when We got near the place I burst out in horror,"what's that SMELL?"
By the way, I haven't heard of the Weretewhakawi tribe, but I do remember William James portaying a reporter by the name of Abe Whakatawhainau.
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04/14/2003 7:20 PM
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The main point is, most folks don't know the danger exists, and an East Coast quake, with most cities not built to withstand a tremor (no earthquake codes), could be a disaster and horror, depending on the intensity of the quake, which, I, for one, hope to never witness or experience.Absolutely. For an example of this phenomenon, see http://www.allshookup.org/images/ncquake/ncquake.htmWhen it happened, it was hard to believe that a 5.6 could do so much damage, but it was exactly as you state above.
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04/15/2003 12:10 AM
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actually, even tho our earthquakes tend to be 1. and 2. deals, (and are mistaken for heavy trucks speeding by) NYC does have an earth quake standard. its rather new, and it is not manditory, but many building do meet a minimal standard..(and some are build to very high earthquake resistant standards.)
way off topic...in white
after the Towers came down, one fact that came out was, the designer/engineer/ had thought about a plane hitting the building..(after all a fighter plane had hit empire state building in the 40's) He just didn't plan on the fuel-- and fire... the terrorist thought they could hit them and topple them in seconds.
in many ways the best thing that happened to NYC was the attack on the TWC in '93--it took them over 4 hours to evacuate the buildings then..but after that, every one took safety, and evacuation drills seriously, and on that day in September, every one below the plane crash floors was out of the building in 45 minutes! what a change!
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04/15/2003 12:28 AM
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One of the very earliest questions ever asked on this board was is there a word for slanting rain. Nobody ever found one, to my disappointment.
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04/15/2003 1:13 AM
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No term for slanted rain, but would a slanted drip be obleak? Having grown up in Los Angeles, California, and lived there until I was 22, I experienced a great many earthquakes. I remember the big one in '71, -- it happened early in the morning and the great rolling effect woke me up. Truly, they are nothing to brag about. But it's funny listening to you all prefer hurricanes, etc. to earthquakes. I've always said the opposite!  We have gobs of fog here in Oregon, in the winter. Pea-soupers, for sure. Rain is rain; drizzle, a little less; less than that is called mist. Sudden downpours are gulley-washers -- at least, that is what I call them. That's a term I heard growing up. There was one major earthquake here in Oregon, about 10 years ago, and it did a lot of damage to old brick buildings. Note: there was one fatality which occurred on the highway, as the result of a rock slide hitting a truck. We have no hurricanes, no tornadoes, very few earthquakes and very few floods. I found it interesting that there were 2 or 3 days last week in which we had sunny skies followed by rain, then hail, then snow, then the wind blew it all away and the sun shone again!
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04/15/2003 2:58 AM
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From sjm's link:
The photographs below are of the rescue operation in the proceeding hours just after the earthquake and the resulting demolition of the Newcastle Workers Club.
Do our representatives of the Southern Hemisphere find this use of proceeding at all uncommon? What do others think of it?
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04/15/2003 3:44 AM
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>Do our representatives of the Southern Hemisphere find this use of proceeding at all uncommon? What do others think of it?
I am sure that the usage would be very uncommon, were it used in a country where the first language is English, but it wasn't, so it probably isn't.
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04/15/2003 10:55 AM
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Okay-ay...I assume, sjm, that you mean first as in original? It took some doing, but I believe I have determined that the location of the earthquake in the link is Australia.
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04/15/2003 11:37 AM
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a country where the first language is English
the location of the earthquake in the link is Australia
As Jackie slides inexorably down the slippery slope into the unfathomable depths of the Chasm of Sar.
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04/15/2003 12:17 PM
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In response to Bingley's question, the use of proceeding didn't strike me as unusual when I read it, but probably I wouldn't have used the word in that way myself. Probably would have used "...in the hours following...", but for me it's fine as written.
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04/15/2003 12:26 PM
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...this use of proceeding...
I would have expected "ensuing" or "subsequent" instead.
Besides, even if it's meant to be the converse of preceding=coming before, the word is "precede," not "preceed". Is there another word "procede"? That would be the more precise analogue. If it exists.
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04/15/2003 1:02 PM
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proceed, proceeds
Perhaps proceeding has fallen out of disusue to a large degree because we have become used to the noun form (proceeds: The amount of money derived from a commercial or fundraising venture; the yield)and the shorter verb form (proceeds: moves farther along).
Yet preceding seems to be in wider use than precedes.
Here is the original verb form of proceed from Merrian-Webster's, from which the noun form proceeds evolved circa 1645. Notice in the etymology there is originally one "e", why and when was the second "e" added to proceed, when precede was left alone?:
Main Entry: pro·ceed
Pronunciation: prO-'sEd, pr&-
Function: intransitive verb
Etymology: Middle English proceden, from Middle French proceder, from Latin procedere, from pro- forward + cedere to go; more at PRO-
Date: 14th century
1 : to come forth from a source : ISSUE
2 a : to continue after a pause or interruption b : to go on in an orderly regulated way
3 a : to begin and carry on an action, process , or movement b : to be in the process of being accomplished
4 : to move along a course : ADVANCE
synonym see SPRING
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04/15/2003 10:45 PM
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Slanted rain is what I've always pictured when someone says "driving rain". Rain that is driven
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04/15/2003 10:55 PM
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I see what is meant.
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04/16/2003 2:43 AM
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According to the writer's biography he comes from Lower Hutt, NZ.
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04/16/2003 2:47 AM
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>According to the writer's biography he comes from Lower Hutt, NZ. Well then, 'nuff said. We have one member not long removed from that part of the world - I'll let him defend the usage or not.
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