#77722
08/06/2002 2:02 AM
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I read John Grisham's "A Painted House" when I went on vacation (and was quite disappointed in it, incidentally.)
When the little boy and his father gather eggs, they put the eggs into a "straw bowl". I've never heard of such a thing. Does anyone know what he was talking about?
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#77723
08/06/2002 2:07 AM
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uh, a bowl made of straw?  like a wicker basket, perhaps?
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#77724
08/06/2002 10:43 AM
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I agree with "wicker basket." Hi Jackie.
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#77725
08/06/2002 11:56 AM
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From (failing) memory, straw baskets were made from a whisk of straw knotted like a reef knot. Used to carry anything small but solid on New Zealand farms way back when. I'd imagine it was something similar here.
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#77726
08/06/2002 12:03 PM
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Hi, Sweet Alex. <grin> Well, I don't mind taking your-all's word for it, but. Was it just a substitute name, I wonder? You really can't weave straw that I know of, though I suppose you could always hand-cut some so it would be full length. If it was really a bowl, and really made of straw, how would it hold its shape? Hmm--maybe hand-cut a whole lot, maybe make "strands" of a dozen or so stalks bound together, and then weave the strands?
EDIT
Ok, CK, thank you. What is a reef knot, please?
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#77727
08/06/2002 12:19 PM
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I vote for a bowl lined with straw.
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#77728
08/06/2002 12:35 PM
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#77729
08/06/2002 12:47 PM
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In their spare time, straw bosses weave straw bowls. Not.
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#77730
08/06/2002 1:03 PM
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straw bosses weave straw bowls.
There you go again, Dr. Bill, setting up a straw man.
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#77732
08/06/2002 1:10 PM
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Actually straw bowls aren't straw at all, they are made out of willow twigs, or withe, which is retted (soaked) until it is pliable enough to weave into baskets. This is not to be confused with rattan, used to make wicker furniture, etc., which is never soaked, since, of course there is no rets for the wicker.
TEd
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#77733
08/06/2002 6:38 PM
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>>Ok, CK, thank you. What is a reef knot, please?
Left over right and under.
Right over left and under.
Simple!
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#77734
08/06/2002 6:55 PM
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Left over right
Right over left
is how i learned it, but it was a square knot or sailors knot (i first learned it to tie a tie on a sailors type shirt.) never heard it called a reef knot.
as opposed to
Left over right and then
Left over right
which is "granny knot" a very weak knot, good for nothing..
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#77735
08/06/2002 7:08 PM
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on a sailors type shirt
The neckerchief worn with the dress uniform of a petty officer or seaman is tied in a square knot. When properly done it looks almost as though it were a cylindrical slide. Some sailors on liberty will wear a slide rather than tying the neckerchief.
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#77736
08/06/2002 8:26 PM
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Jackie,
You're bound to be able to weave straw, for else why we would have heard so often of "straw hats"?
People around here usually collected eggs in, well, egg baskets!
Bwock regards,
WordWeave
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#77737
08/07/2002 12:10 PM
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Strictly speaking, dub-dub, straw for hats is plaited, although plaiting is so similar to weaving that I wouldn't usually pick that particular nit. (If for no other reason than for fear of trespassing on Faldage's territory!)
I have seen what Might be described as a "straw bowl", Jackie, made out of strips of plaited straw, would round and round and sewn together ( in a similar manner to a coiled pot) Some restaurants over here use them for bread or rolls, offered whilst you are waiting for your meal to be served.
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#77738
08/07/2002 12:37 PM
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Dear RC : Plaiting is also called braiding, as in long hair. Strands cross at fortyfive degrees
Weaving strands cross at ninety degrees.Forgive the quibble.
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#77739
08/07/2002 12:53 PM
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Forgive the quibble.
Certainly, Bill - all the more so as you really back up what I said - that plaiting is SIMILAR TO WEAVING - not the same: the angle, as you rightly point out, is less than the 90 degrees comon to most sorts of weaving ( exception being the weaving of cane for chair bottoms). However, I would have siad that the angle in plaiting was nearer to 60 degrees than 45?
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#77740
08/07/2002 1:08 PM
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Dear RC: my eyesight these days has made it impossible for me to use protractor.
I was just remembering the many times I braided my wife's long hair for her.
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#77741
08/07/2002 1:29 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Dear Bill: my muscular fasciculations make it impossible for me to hold a protractor these days! I'm remembering days of plaiting ribbons, ropes and even grass!
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#77742
08/07/2002 11:02 PM
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These nits you two are picking are very fine nits to be picking. Imagine a word board discussion thread getting down to the nitty-gritty nit picking of 45 v. 60 degrees in describing the perfect plait. Where else but on AWAD, A Weave a Day...or not.
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#77743
08/07/2002 11:45 PM
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Whoof. That's a sure sign of a warped mind. And I assume your use of the word thread was a pun. If not, it was looming on the horizon of your mind.
TEd
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#77744
08/07/2002 11:53 PM
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If not, it was looming on the horizon of your mind.
Looming apparently on the horizontal and vertical of someone's braid...no, that's brain...no, weave...mebbe brain weaves.. or brain waves...or someone's braid waves...or braid weaves...yes, that must be it: "Looming apprently on the horizontal and vertical of someone's braid weaves, perfect 60 and 90 degrees, respectively."
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#77745
08/08/2002 12:27 PM
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Now that we've completely forgotten where this thread started, let's take a straw bowl of the membership and find out how many think it should be 45 degrees, how many want 60 degrees, and how many vote for 90 degrees?
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#77746
08/08/2002 12:48 PM
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Are you giving us the third degree?
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#77747
08/08/2002 12:59 PM
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how many think it should be 45 degrees, how many want 60 degrees, and how many vote for 90 degrees?
I think it depends entirely on how tightly you weave the braids. Or braid the weaves, if that is your wont. Is this a straw bowl?
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#77748
08/08/2002 1:01 PM
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Who can predict the name of the football team destined to win in the StrawBowl?
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#77749
08/08/2002 1:09 PM
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veteran
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Are you giving us the third degree?
We can always expect acute comment from you, Auntie.
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#77750
08/08/2002 1:14 PM
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i vote 90° for weaving..
and 45° for braiding (plaiting)
if you take a piece of paper, (half the long way-5.25 X11) and cut 3 strips, you start braiding by turning the outside edge at a 45° angle) and then continue that as you plait them, when you come to the edge, and need to fold back the paper to make bring it back... low and behold, the internal angle is 90°.. so the braiding is being done and 45°, and a double turn (180°) gives you a 90° internal angle..
( Start with a 45°bend, weave under and over, come to edge, fold back (180°) and the internal angle is 90°--) and yet, until i did it with paper, i was sure it was 60°! ) Mind you hair and thread and straw are softer, and might not be perfect turns.. but closer to 45° than to 60°!
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#77751
08/08/2002 2:41 PM
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I think there is the possibility we're all saying the same thing, and very vehemently at that.
Are we talking about the angle between the plaiting/weaving material and the main work direction, or between the individual strands, the warp and the woof (or weft, if you prefer)? I'm inclined to think the former, but we should all be talking about the same angle when we agree or disagree...
(Cloth can be woven with warp and woof at right angles, and then cut "on the bias" so the threads make a 45-degree angle to the length of the work...neckties, for example)
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#77752
08/08/2002 2:49 PM
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all saying the same thing, and very vehemently at that.
With braids it still depends on how tight the braid is.
And weaving, although normally done at right angles, could be done otherwise, particularly if it's hand weaving and not loom.
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#77753
08/08/2002 3:48 PM
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all saying the same thing, and very vehemently at that.
Yep. The warped are woofing.
;-) mein ephew!
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#77754
08/08/2002 4:43 PM
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Interestingly, if you take a not-quite-so-narrow strip of paper, say one inch wide, and you tie it into an overhand knot, and then you gently tighten the knot and flatten it, you wind up with a pentagon - all the internal angles are 108 degrees, and the unfolded strip of paper will be full of folds in multiples of 36 degrees instead of the fold-created multiples of 45s and 60s that we're more used to. Edit: Just to be explicit - here's a site with a picture of an overhand knot: http://www.swcp.com/csar/knots/knots1.shtml
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#77755
08/08/2002 7:34 PM
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How can we be sure you're not just spinning us a yarn, wofa?
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#77756
08/08/2002 7:47 PM
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Do I detect the shadow of a doubt looming on the horizon? You know I wouldn't pull the wool over your eyes. I guess you just don't cotton to my explanation...
:-)
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#77757
08/08/2002 7:51 PM
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i am biased towards believing weaving creates 90°.
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#77758
08/08/2002 9:37 PM
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>>if you take a not-quite-so-narrow strip of paper, say one inch wide, and you tie it into an overhand knot, and then you gently tighten the knot and flatten it, you wind up with a pentagon Doubters can refer to http://www.jimloy.com/geometry/pentagon.htm (see the fourth illustration), illustrating the regular pentagon. I'll spare you the geometric proof elsewhere on the web. PS: Thanks to wofahulicohoc for telling me how to url-ize this.
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#77759
08/09/2002 7:57 AM
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I guess you just don't cotton to my explanation...
Of course I do, wofa - I just don't think it's the reel one. Mind you, with so many conflicting ideas shuttling around on this thread, you must forgive me if I'm bobbin' around between them.
And, helen, do you find that your bias is binding?
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#77760
08/09/2002 1:09 PM
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Say what you will; I think you're just needling us.
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#77761
08/09/2002 1:33 PM
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A hem!
(as AnnaS might say!)
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