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#67250 04/25/2002 12:39 AM
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A fascinating subject, is it not?

Here is the key extract from Lysistrata, perhaps the first major piece of "women's power" literature. Lysistrata (purple) tells the male magistrate (green) why she and the other women (orange) are taking over the state.

Edit: reformatted, per milum's note, at the cost of going to extended length [innocent -e]

Croak your own fate, you ill-omened antiquity.
.....You be the spokeswoman, lady.

..........................................................I will.
Think of our old moderation and gentleness,
.....think how we bore with your pranks, and were still,
All through the days of your former pugnacity,
.....all through the war that is over and spent:
Not that (be sure) we approved of your policy;
.....never our griefs you allowed us to vent.
Well we perceived your mistakes and mismanagement.
.....Often at home on our housekeeping cares,
Often we heard of some foolish proposal you
.....made for conducting the public affairs.
Then would we question you mildly and pleasantly,
.....inwardly griving, but outwardly gay;
"Husband, how goes it abroad?" we would ask of him;
....."what have ye done in Assembly to-day?
What would ye write on the side of the Treaty stone?"

.....Husband says angrily, "What's that to you?
You, hold your tongue!"
And I held it accordingly.
.....That is a thing which I never would do!
Ma'am, if you hadn't, you'd soon have repented it.
.....Therefore I held it and spake not a word.
Soon of another tremendous absurdity,
.....wilder and worse than the former we heard.
"Husband," I say, with a tender solicitude,
....."Why have ye passed such a foolish decree?"
Viciously, moodily, glaring askance at me,
....."Stick to your spinning, my mistress," says he,
"Else you will speedily find it the worse for you,
.....War is the care and the business of men!"

Zeus! 'twas a worthy reply, and an excellent!
.....What! you unfortunate, shall we not then,
Then when we see you perplexed and incompetent,
.....shall we not tender advice to the State?
So when aloud in the streets and the thoroughfares
.....sadly we heard you bewailing of late,
"Is there a Man to defend and deliver us?"
....."No,"
says another, "there's none in the land;"
Then by the Women assembled in conference
.....jointly a great Revolution was planned,
Hellas to save from her grief and perplexity.
.....Where is the use of a longer delay?
Shift for the future our parts and our characters;
.....you, as the women, in silence obey;
We, as the men, will harangue and provide for you;
.....then shall the State be triumphant again,
Then shall we do what is best for the citizens.
.....Women to do what is best for the men!
That were a shameful reproach and unbearable!

.....Silence! old gentleman.
..... ..............................Silence for you?
Stop for a wench with a wimple enfolding her?
No, by the Powers, may I die if I do.

Do not, my pretty one, do not, I pray,
Suffer my wimple to stand in the way.
Here, take it and wear it, and gracefully tie it
Enfolding it over your head, and be quiet.
during these line the women bedeck the man in the garb of a spinning-woman
Off to your carding, your combing, your trimming.
War is the care and the business of women.


#67251 04/25/2002 4:15 AM
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keiva, can you reformat. I can't follow the message what with the shifting.
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#67252 04/25/2002 11:44 AM
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Um, given the context of the rest of the play, I don't think I follow your point.


#67253 04/25/2002 12:03 PM
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Hope the reformatting help, f-babe?
In "context," this is the key part Aristophane's view of the battle of the sexes.


#67254 04/26/2002 1:21 PM
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The way I remember it, assertive women bring about harmony & resolution (but only in Aristophanes' comedies... as a proclaimed feminist/egalitarian, I won't dare to rant on the obvious). The plot revolves around Lysistrata and the sisterhood withholding sex because they're fed up with the idiocy of the Peloponnesian War, initiated and carried out by men. They figure (rightly) that sex is of ultimately more importance to men than their petty squabbling... the war waged by the women is one of a much different nature than the blood-and-guts war that they're attempting to stop. I just didn't get your reasoning for emphasis on that last line quoted, given the overall plot context.


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Fiberbabe, you and I are on the same wavelength.
dr. bill had saidą that that play is a paean to passivity ("abstinence from entanglements"). You and I agree that it is quite the opposite: a praise to (as you well say) "feminist/egalitarian [and] assertive women" who take charge.

(P.S. You enquire about the emphasis on my last-quoted line. That emphasis is in translation I quoted; it is not my addition.)


Another interesting take on the battle of the sexes appeared in a comic strip today:
What she heard: "You can stop starving yourself and eat like a normal person now."
What he said: "Will you marry me?"



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