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#52075 01/07/02 05:58 AM
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A non-English-speaking friend encountered the expression "fruit of the loom" in a (serious, non-fiction) text he's translating. Context: "...after the war, it would be like sharing the fruit of the loom with the enemy..." It's one of those expressions you think you're sure about, but, on second thought, maybe not exactly sure. I can't find it in any of my reference sources, and only the logo on the underwear package comes to mind. Can anyone help?


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There is a Biblical phrase "The fruit of Thy womb, Jesus " addressed to the Blessed Virgin. As a take-off on this there used to be a brand of underwear labelled "Fruit of the Loom." I can't imagine basis for using it as historical or economic term.


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I don't think it could be considered a "take-off"; it was probably meant literally, figuratively speaking.

http://www.fruit.com/static/company/history_logo/index.cfm
http://www.fruit.com/static/company/history_company/index.cfm


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Fruit of the Loom now markets most of their product with the label "FTL". Most likely because it sounds more masculine.


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Fruit of the Loom now markets most of their product with the label "FTL". Most likely because it sounds more masculine.

You are right, Jazzo, they were probably trying to get away from "fruit," but I'm not sure that substituting the abbreviation for "faster than light" was the way to go.



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FTL for Fits Treasures Lovingly.


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There is a Biblical phrase "The fruit of Thy womb, Jesus addressed to the Blessed Virgin.

The Hail Mary: Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

In the bible itself the phrase "fruit of the womb" appears repeatedly, the earliest being Genesis 30:2: And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?

However, the phrase apparently never appears -- King James Version -- as "fruit of thy womb, Jesus", even in those cases where it is referring to Jesus.



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There seems to be considerable confusion over what content of the "Ave Maria" prayer is from the Bible. Just to set everyone straight, the first part of the prayer goes,

Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Jesu. ...
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. ...


St. Luke, chapt. 1, describing the visit of the angel Gabriel to Mary, vs. 28-31: et ingressus angelus ad eam dixit, Ave gratia plena! Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus. Quae cum vidisset turbata est in sermone eius et cogitabat qualis esset ista salutatio. Et ait angelus ei, Ne timeas, Maria; invenisti enim gratiam apud Deum. Ecce concipies in utero et paries filium et vocabis nomen eius Iesum....
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS...


From this, we see that only the first phrase of the prayer is taken directly from the words of the evangelist, although there are indirect references.



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[sigh]A stranger has come to us and posted in the proper place a valid question. Shouldn't we answer the actual question instead of pretending to be AEnigma? My dear tivtrans, welcome to the board. My guess would be cloth related. I would think that the meaning would be closely related to "giving the shirt off one's back". The fruit of a loom would be a piece of cloth Helen? Fiberbabe?. "...it would be like sharing (your shirt, your blanket, etc.)with the enemy..." Anyway, that's my best guess.

Okay. Maybe a loin cloth.

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Thanks for the company history info (was on the way to the site when I saw your post), but still can't get the meaning to fit...


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