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I saw a news item today about someone renegotiating a "pre-nuptual" agreement after four years of marriage. Setting aside the almost universal mispronunciation of nuptial, is it possible to call it a "pre" when revised 4 years "post"?
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08/01/2001 5:27 AM
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08/01/2001 11:52 AM
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since Pre- nuptials are designed to protect the interest of people who are about to enter a contract-- i don't see any problem with changing them four years after the fact-- and still calling them prenuptials.
(but if it were me, after 4 years? I would wonder why are you making the terms of divorce harder? and who would agree to that? and if easier? why bother? if I have a contractual obligation to give you X, and then in a divorce settlement give you 2 or 3 times X-- are you going to take me to court and sue me because i have over paid you?)
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#37205
08/01/2001 3:21 PM
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There's a subtle point here about naming things. I would have to say that an agreement of this nature, entered into before the nuptuals take place, is properly called a pre-nuptual agreement and is always called that. The fact of its having been created in advance of the nuptuals determines its nature (and its name) once and for all, and a subsequent renegotiation or alteration does not alter the fact that it came into existence before [pre-]nuptuals. There are plenty of examples of things which have a name put to them and after the passage of time and changes in circumstances the name no longer describes the thing accurately, but the name doesn't change. [OK Ayleurs, give us some examples!]
As to why one would want to fiddle around with such an arrangement, maybe one of the parties is now inclined to be more generous, or children have entered the picture and convinced one party to do something to benefit them, or maybe a small alteration would fend off a divorce, or, or, or.
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08/01/2001 4:52 PM
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nuptual
Commonly misspelled entry for nuptial
A nuptual is customary observance before participation in the voluptual.
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#37207
08/01/2001 5:02 PM
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Bobyoungbalt wrote that There are plenty of examples of things which have a name put to them and after the passage of time and changes in circumstances the name no longer describes the thing accurately, but the name doesn't change.
This doesn't exactly relate, but I've wondered whether Post Traumatic Syndrome is a misnomer because it's the trauma that continues. The counter-argument is, of course, that a person's behavior changes after (post) a traumatic experience, but I see it that the traumatic experience never really ends for those who witness or experience such horrible things.
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08/01/2001 5:08 PM
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VC>the almost universal mispronunciation of nuptial
MWC gives four (4) common variants (although some might see only 2); I gather that you have disdain for the 3-sylLAble version(s)?
n&p-sh&l, -ch&l, ÷-sh&-w&l, ÷-ch&-w&l
[& = schwa]
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#37209
08/01/2001 6:24 PM
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Dear WO'N: If somebody got hit on the head with a hammer, the damage to the tissues is the trauma. The years of headache thereafter could be called "post-traumatic cephalalgia".
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08/01/2001 6:32 PM
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When you break a bone, the doctor in charge of you is called a traumatologist, right? I.e. the guy you go to when you have hit something or something has hit you really hard. So I suppose "trauma" in medical parlance is the actual violent event that can originate post-traumatic syndrome. 
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Traumatologist would suggests to me someone specially trained to handle skeletal injuries with complications, such as injured blood vessels, nerves, shock, or other organs.. For simple fractures an orthpedist would suffice.
Of course "nuptuals" ought not end that way. Maybe during the " ruptuals".
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08/01/2001 8:14 PM
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"nuptuals" ought not end that way
Wow! A clean double entendre. Good work, Dr. Bill!
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08/02/2001 1:51 PM
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So, would someone who counselled me, after I had had a bad dream, be a "traümertologist?"
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08/11/2001 6:39 PM
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So, would someone who counselled me, after I had had a bad dream, be a "traümertologist?"No. That would be a Bad-traümertologist! (To use the Teutonic). Hey! Is Teutonic a double-entendre for two shots of German seltzer?????
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08/11/2001 8:14 PM
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Hey! Is Teutonic a double-entendre for two shots of German seltzer?????
Dearest Rubrick, you probably already know this, but just in case: when Dubya's dau. Jenna was charged with underage drinking, the press called her Jenna Tonic.
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08/11/2001 8:30 PM
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"Hey! Is Teutonic a double-entendre for two shots of German seltzer????? "
Only if it makes you astute.
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08/11/2001 9:30 PM
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Of course "nuptuals" ought not end that way. Maybe during the " ruptuals".No wonder I so often confuse "marital" with "martial," and "united" with "untied." 
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08/11/2001 11:39 PM
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Only if it makes you astute.I'd answer that, but I don't own a donkey. 
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#37219
08/15/2001 5:29 AM
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There are plenty of examples of things which have a name put to them and after the passage of time and changes in circumstances the name no longer describes the thing accurately, but the name doesn't change.
That depends: Some cities e.g. in Italy have post-communist mayors, others have communist ex-mayors. When I want to tell friends a story from my married past, I never know whether to use "my ex-wife" or "my wife". At the time, she clearly was the latter...
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08/15/2001 10:59 AM
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I never know whether to use "my ex-wife" or "my wife". At the time, she clearly was the latter...Dearest, if you say, "my wife", that carries the implication that that is the current state of the lady in question. I suppose you could say, "My wife at the time", or, "my wife, who's my ex- at the moment". 
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08/16/2001 1:11 AM
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ex-wife" or "my wife"
How about "my currently ex-, formerly current wife"?
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08/16/2001 1:30 AM
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ex-wife" or "my wife" ... How about "my currently ex-, formerly current wife"?
My "then-wife"? Or, if remarried, "my then-current wife"?
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08/16/2001 1:32 AM
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Or "my wife, once removed"?
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08/16/2001 2:23 AM
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Or "my wife, once removed"?
Eee, sounds painful!
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08/16/2001 2:47 AM
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I remember somebody back in England, who always referred to "my young wife" rather than "my wife". I was always tempted to ask about his old wife.
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08/16/2001 9:51 AM
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Out of the blue I have suddenly remembered the definition of "nuptials" (or nuptuals, I suppose)
Marriage is Love parsonified
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08/16/2001 11:59 AM
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ex-wife" or "my wife"
Or "my then future ex-wife"
As opposed to "my current future ex-wife"
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08/16/2001 12:02 PM
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In reply to:
How about "my currently ex-, formerly current wife"?
Ah, you mean my currently former, formerly current wife.
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08/16/2001 12:08 PM
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Good one, Bingley! "my current future ex-wife"Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park.
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08/16/2001 12:40 PM
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08/16/2001 1:01 PM
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What kind of current?
If she's AC/DC, that could explain the divorce...
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08/16/2001 1:16 PM
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One problem with "currant future ex-wives" is that of raisin the chidren.
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08/16/2001 2:49 PM
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One problem with "currant future ex-wives" is that of raisin the chidren.Talk about the grapes of wrath! 
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08/16/2001 3:14 PM
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Waal, ain't that jest plum neat, Jackie!
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08/17/2001 10:50 AM
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What kind of current?
the question arises when it no longer passes.
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I see nobody has yet come up with an non-awkward solution. What's really lacking here is tenses for nouns. What do you think about that?
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