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Is there a reference for "no-name-spell" phonetics used in AWAD? The name "no-name-spell" phonetics was used by Tom Zurinskas in a post on 02/25/09 entitled, Peripatetic - in truespel.
I am interested in the source, if one exists, and even better, a "no-name-spell" phonetic generator.
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Wow, quite a challenge.
Just be patient someone will reply with what you are looking for.
WELCOME gr3gw
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hmmm....I might like that source also. I was just writing a letter to a friend about the undecipherable pronunciation symbols sometimes used on here and saying that I preferred phonetics. (shouldn't THAT word start with an F?)
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hmmm....I might like that source also. I was just writing a letter to a friend about the undecipherable pronunciation symbols sometimes used on here and saying that I preferred phonetics. (shouldn't THAT word start with an F?) If by "undecipherable pronunciation symbols" you mean IPA they do have the advantage of meaning only one thing. Sometimes you'll see someone with non-rhotic speech using an R in a phonetic transcription of a word and you know there's no R sound in the word they're transcribing.
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IHTLIU!
Okay so that was an adventure similar to looking up one word in the dictionary and then having to look up ten more to understand the definition.
For non-linguists those symbols are undecipherable. After having read several articles on the IPA and rhotic and non-rhotic speech (see, I knew there was a name for that silly add/drop an r thing) this is an example of what I was saying....
As an example, the last name of actor Jake Gyllenhaal, written ˈdʒɪlənhɔːl in the IPA, might be written jil-ən-hôl in a phonemic system and jill-in-hall in a non-phonemic system.
You might be able to pronounce ˈdʒɪlənhɔːl but would a non-linguist even have a clue? Nope.
My linguist skills were retarded at the phonemic system which is what was standard for me growing up. I am not so backwards as to need the non-phonemic system, or at least not quite yet.
but at least now I know what it's called when I don't think about the word 'orange' and say it as 'oinge'.
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It's a comforting idea that of all the people who pronounce something correctly, no one pronounces it exactly the same way as the next person.
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the problem with the non-phonemic system is that sometimes words are used that have ambiguous pronunciations, or are pronounced quite differently depending on where you're from. a little bit of IPA can take you quite far. too bad our schools don't have time to teach it.
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As an example, the last name of actor Jake Gyllenhaal, written ˈdʒɪlənhɔːl in the IPA, might be written jil-ən-hôl in a phonemic system and jill-in-hall in a non-phonemic system.
You might be able to pronounce ˈdʒɪlənhɔːl but would a non-linguist even have a clue? Nope.
Depending on whether the non-linguist bothered to put a little effort into studying IPA. Sometimes you'll find that a little effort has big returns. I'm not a linguist. I'm interested in linguistics and I know a little about it but I'm not a linguist. My knowledge of IPA is not the greatest, but I do know that it is one of the better systems around for representing sounds of words. Some of the problem is in how the sound that a specific IPA symbol represents is presented. To say that ʃ is a voiceless palato-alveolar fricative isn't going to be much help to someone who isn't a trained professional phonologist, but a little bit of research will find web sites with sound files.
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a prime example of /ˈʃɪbəlɛθ/
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Thanks for the welcome, LukeJavan8.
I wish I was able to master a phonemic system such as IPA but it will never be. I am more than happy with the non-phonemic system used by Anu Garg. I'm sure he must be using a 'system' in order to be consistent otherwise the words he uses for phonetics will vary according to which side of the bed he got out of that day. It's his 'system' that I want to get access to.
From the contributions to this thread I gather there are no formal descriptions of non-phonemic systems.
Here's hoping Anu will see this and offer an insight on how he works.
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>Here's hoping Anu will see this and offer an insight on how he works.
why don't you ask him directly, via the Contact Us link (top right)
meanwhile, here is what he wrote in AWADmail, issue no. 8 (Mar. 26, 1998)
While reducing a spoken sound to its written form is tough enough in any language, it is nearly impossible to accurately represent pronunciation information using only the lowest common denominator of characters -- those found on a standard English keyboard. Not all systems have the capability to show phonetic characters. (Once Unicode is more widely adopted, it would be possible to show all IPA characters but for now we have to do with the seven bit ASCII character set). It must also be noted that the pronunciation of words varies a great deal from region to region and any single way of pronouncing a word cannot be called the only correct one. In that spirit, the pronunciation guide provided with the words here should be taken as an approximation and not as a precise phonetic equivalent.
If you disagree with a given pronunciation or anything else in AWAD, please drop us a line at the email address (words AT wordsmith.org). Due to the large volume of messages, we can't always respond to you but we do read all messages. -Anu
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Thanks, Tsuwm.
I've followed your advice and written to Anu. I'll now have to wait 'n see.
BTW, I discovered the AWAD archives - what a wealth of info.
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