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ok folks, a quick search brought up nothing here, so I ask-
which is it: hardy har har, or hearty har har, or?
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hardy har har har, or hardee har har har link
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which is it: hardy har har, or hearty har har, or?Well, I've never seen it written out. (See tsuwm's link for that.) And, in my dialect, an intervocalic voiceless dental stop is realized as /ɾ/ (an alveolar flap or tap, see link). (And, that's not a /d/ as some Brits erroneously seem think.)
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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Har de har har! with a touch of sarcasm thrown in.
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Har de har har! with a touch of sarcasm thrown in.
or that. anything on Word Origins, Fald? googles of any of the possibilities are surprisingly quiet.
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Does har har not simply come from hear hear? Isn't it mostly said when someone wants to emphasize his ironic , sarcastic or doubting reaction to a thing he/she hears? Or also sometimes as self-critisism? There are a couple of hars in here: link
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Does har har not simply come from hear hear? Isn't it mostly said when someone wants to emphasize his ironic, sarcastic or doubting reaction to a thing he/she hears? Or also sometimes as self-critisism? There are a couple of hars in here: link well the little that I've found suggests ha ha, rather than hear hear, and both make sense, but I'm more interested in the origin, actually. when/who/and what the meaning/usage seems pretty clear.
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I think I hear it when listening to an uproar in English parliament, mixed with all these peculiar murmurations.
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aren't those MPs crying "hear hear" in agreement?
Gleason would bellow 'har de har har' in derisive laughter.
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aren't those MPs crying "hear hear" in agreement?
i think so. for some reason this made me think of the ubquity of English. Watching Pakistan in a Test match recently all the mundane chit chat on the field was in Urdu of course, but the instant a batsman skied a ball, eleven Pakistani voices were shouting as one "catch it!". it made me smile and showed how english has strong claim to lingua franca.
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aren't those MPs crying "hear hear" in agreement?
Gleason would bellow 'har de har har' in derisive laughter.  I bet that 's what they have been doing for ages: hear hear har har hear har... a strange ritual.
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for some reason this made me think of the ubquity of English. This reminds me of a tale I read once about a Sesame Street type program that was part of an attempt to instill a colloquial pan-Arabic. Liturgical Arabic is pretty much understood throughout the Muslim world but it isn't quite up to handling many modern situations. Colloquial Arabic is pretty variable across the Arabic speaking world and the Arabic of the western ends of North Africa is pretty much incomprehensible to speakers of, say, Iraqi Arabic. This show was trying to bridge that gap and the show itself was entirely in this pan-Arabic. The language in the control room was English.
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In india, the 'common language' that is used when 2-3 other languages exist that all might not know diffrs with the region. In the south, it is firmly English. From Maharashtra up, it is Hindi. In India such a 'everybody understands' language is necessary with 15 official languages. I read somewhere that in switzerland it is not so. The Swiss speak to each other in their own language - German, french or Italian. That makes a lot of sense. It is easy to understand the other language and easier to speak your own.
Is there a word for this "pan lingua language"?
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The Swiss speak to each other in their own language - German, french or Italian. That makes a lot of sense. It is easy to understand the other language and easier to speak your own.
very true. a sensible approach.
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...but Switzerdeutsch isn't quite German, na?
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...but Switzerdeutsch isn't quite German, na? a friend who speaks both tells me that this is like saying that hindi is not quite russian. 
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That different? I always thought Swiss German and German were different but similar like Hindi and Bhojpuri.
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That different? I always thought Swiss German and German were different but similar like Hindi and Bhojpuri. i think it was exagerated the swiss seem proud that they can understand high german but not the other way round.
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Here are two links to Schweizer Deutsch. The second is a fairy tale you can listen to. About a swineherd. I've listened three times. It is closer to German than Frisian is to Dutch. It starts like most fairy tales with "Lange her"..... Long time ago. (sorry, always like to see/hear what we are talking about) woerter fairy tale
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Most educated Swiss Germans speak Hochdeutsch (Swiss Standard German) as well as Schweizerdeutsch (Schwyzerdütsch). The two languages (or sets of dialects) are not as far apart from one another as Hindi and Russian, more like Dutch and Standard German.
Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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The two languages (or sets of dialects) are not as far apart from one another as Hindi and Russian, i did say the coment was exagerated.
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The two languages (or sets of dialects) are not as far apart from one another as Hindi and Russian, i did say the coment was exagerated. One might even say "over exaggerated".
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The two languages (or sets of dialects) are not as far apart from one another as Hindi and Russian, i did say the coment was exagerated. One might even say "over exaggerated". yes. i do not speak any type of german or russian but even i could tell the intent was to boast in the 'difference' of the swiss version over the standard one.
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How do you know the intention was to boast, Mr. Smarty Pants? Maybe the intention was to douse any expectation one language might have over the other that the other might not be able to fullfil. Not all languages are equal you know. Some are more equal than others.....er... Well anyway, not all quite make the mark.
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Not all languages are equal you know. Some are more equal than others.....er... Well anyway, not all quite make the mark.
Well, linguistically speaking all languages are equal. Socio-politically speaking some are less equal than others.
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Hey! My thread got crossed! (It's okay; I'm a knitter...)
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How do you know the intention was to boast, Mr. Smarty Pants? because i know the friend who said it and the context of the conversation which it was said in.
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so not much on the history of hardy har har, eh?
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Next proposition: a corruption of 'hark'. So it's from way way back somewhere.
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so not much on the history of hardy har har, eh?
:¬ P what, you've never had a thread hijacked before?? - joe (and you've been here *how many years?) friday
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so not much on the history of hardy har har, eh?
:¬ P what, you've never had a thread hijacked before?? - joe (and you've been here *how many years?) fridayheh only eight years or something.... :¬ )
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Okay then let's corrupt the hark. At least friendships will not be damaged in the process. Does it matter that I do not know what a hark is? Oh wait! Ignorance maybe synonymous to boasting. Let's ask latishya's friend! Or ask latishya to ask latishya's friend.
Edited to add: hardy hardy hark hark
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Doesn't it drive you nuts when they ruin a word by adopting some worthless negative definition as the dominate one? Jeez! Say the word God! But just try my pet peeve...What was that word again???
I just ranted about it!!! Oh well. Eliminated that one from my vocabulary.
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Does it matter that I do not know what a hark is? Not at all. Wasn't it: "Hark, the Herald Angels sing?"
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