Wordsmith.org: the magic of words

Wordsmith Talk

About Us | What's New | Search | Site Map | Contact Us  

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#188334 12/18/2009 5:56 PM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 1
stranger
stranger
Offline
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 1
Harvey Cox in his book, The Future of Faith, used the word "hascent." It is not in oed.

the rabbi #188335 12/18/2009 6:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,526
veteran
veteran
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,526
"H" is just above "N" on a keyboard. Could he have meant "nascent?"

TheFallibleFiend #188336 12/18/2009 6:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,773
Pooh-Bah
Pooh-Bah
Offline
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,773
rabbi, to save us the trouble could you provide a link for those of us not so literate; meanwhile was he a smoker

edited referring the reader to "Something" link in post # 188364

...but if this will save you any trouble,

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sourc...h&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Incidentally for the techs amongst us, zm and tsu for instance, why didn't the first link automatically get processed

Forgive me though for having forgotten how one does that manually, i'm too old for major reform amongst the algorithms



Last edited by dalehileman; 12/20/2009 6:01 PM.

dalehileman
dalehileman #188337 12/18/2009 7:09 PM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Here's the quote, as from the online copy at Amazon.com:

"During the first two and a half centuries of its life, the hascent Christian movement flourished despite periodic persecutions.." link

this certainly appears to be a typo, for nascent, no?
-ron o.

Last edited by tsuwm; 12/18/2009 7:15 PM.
dalehileman #188338 12/18/2009 8:21 PM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542


it appears (from the page source) that there are no link tags associated with that url.. as to *why there are no tags, I couldn't begin to guess -- I've noticed that happens with many of your posts, so it must be something you're doing.

Last edited by Jackie; 12/21/2009 2:10 AM.
tsuwm #188344 12/19/2009 12:32 AM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
yeah, and it wideys my screen....

use url tags.


formerly known as etaoin...
tsuwm #188353 12/19/2009 9:03 PM
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,773
Pooh-Bah
Pooh-Bah
Offline
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,773


it appears.....there are no link tags associated with that url.. .......so it must be something you're doing. [/quote]

No doubt you're quite right. Next time I'll try refreshing the address before I copy it to a post

Last edited by Jackie; 12/21/2009 2:11 AM.

dalehileman
Buffalo Shrdlu #188354 12/19/2009 9:05 PM
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,773
Pooh-Bah
Pooh-Bah
Offline
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,773
Originally Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu
yeah, and it wideys my screen....

use url tags.


Mine too and I am just as bewildered

..though I had assumed the url tags are part of the address but if not don't you suppose they should be


dalehileman
dalehileman #188355 12/19/2009 9:16 PM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
no. do this:
[ url=insert the url here]put whatever here (not the whole url, unless it's short)[/ url]

all of that without the spaces I snuck in there.


formerly known as etaoin...
Buffalo Shrdlu #188356 12/19/2009 9:21 PM
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,773
Pooh-Bah
Pooh-Bah
Offline
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,773
Thanks Buff I shall try it herewith:



Alas, apparently it didn't work

Last edited by Jackie; 12/21/2009 2:08 AM.

dalehileman
dalehileman #188358 12/19/2009 10:18 PM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
yes, it does

you have to put a ] after the url, and then something before the [/url]


formerly known as etaoin...
Buffalo Shrdlu #188360 12/19/2009 10:52 PM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Originally Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu
yes, it does

you have to put a ] after the url, and then something before the [/url]


but, getting back to the question in the OP, that link doesn't fit the context of the Cox citation, at all.
-joe (trying to steer matters right) friday

tsuwm #188363 12/19/2009 11:35 PM
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,295
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,295
Tuber morphology, germination behaviour and propagation efficiency in three …
K Joseph John, VT Antony, J Marydas, R … - Genetic Resources and …, 2009 - Springer
... In undisturbed pots, it was 60, 120 and 128 days, respectively. Invariably all the
three species started sprouting by the end of Febru- ary. Moisture loss and aeration
may be the factors responsible for hascent (early) sprouting. ...

Link

Buffalo Shrdlu #188364 12/20/2009 12:38 AM
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,773
Pooh-Bah
Pooh-Bah
Offline
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,773
Originally Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu
yes, it does

you have to put a ] after the url, and then something before the [/url]


Ok here goes:

Something


Well thanks Buff I guess it worked although the result isn't quite what I had expected



dalehileman
BranShea #188365 12/20/2009 1:14 AM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
>the factors responsible for hascent (early) sprouting

again, just another typo for nascent, I fear.

dalehileman #188367 12/20/2009 12:43 PM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
Originally Posted By: dalehileman
Originally Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu
yes, it does

you have to put a ] after the url, and then something before the [/url]


Ok here goes:

Something


Well thanks Buff I guess it worked although the result isn't quite what I had expected




good! now please fix the first one. and tsu might need to fix his (quote), too?


formerly known as etaoin...
Buffalo Shrdlu #188368 12/20/2009 6:22 PM
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,773
Pooh-Bah
Pooh-Bah
Offline
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,773
Well Buff I fixed it--somewehat haphazardly to be sure--but page 1 is still too wide. Evidently we're hopelessly at the mercy of Bill--or is it Mac

However the "Something" link is not quite what I had expected. Normally when I copy a url from another web site the AWAD algorithm automatically curtails it if necessary, inserting a surrogate carriage return ostensibly to prevent the "widening" effect but maintaining its appearance as a url

So forgive me Buff but based on the assumption that I had copied or pasted the url too hastily or made some other sort of mistake, I went back to the site and very carefully copied the url once more which I am very gingerly pasting below with the utmost caution



Edited to remark that, well, it didn't work this time either; I really did mean well with my most sincere apologies for my lack of skill. Perhaps you can suggest some means before copying and pasting by which I can eaily identify a url as substandard or beyond the capability of the AWAD routine to process and a means to quickly and easily modify it into a more nearly acceptable form. Thank you again for all your help and patience


Last edited by Jackie; 12/21/2009 2:07 AM.

dalehileman
dalehileman #188370 12/20/2009 7:02 PM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
forget it...


formerly known as etaoin...
Buffalo Shrdlu #188371 12/20/2009 7:39 PM
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,773
Pooh-Bah
Pooh-Bah
Offline
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,773
As the intricacies of negotiating the algorithm apparently buffalo many of us (Shrd forgive me), I have largely rephrased the knotty conundrum, hoping Admin might be more familiar with it and quickly offer its resolution:

http://wordsmith.org/board/ubbthreads.php/topics/188369/Admin_need_help#Post188369


dalehileman
dalehileman #188372 12/20/2009 7:44 PM
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,295
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,295
I'll add an a no-answer answer. Hopefully it will turn the page so this will be slimmed down again. The topic is lost once more in Dale's hypo-linking.

BranShea #188373 12/20/2009 8:01 PM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 390
enthusiast
enthusiast
Offline
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 390
Originally Posted By: BranShea
I'll add an a no-answer answer. Hopefully it will turn the page so this will be slimmed down again. The topic is lost once more in Dale's hypo-linking.


not for me. there really are advantages to using the ignore function.

BranShea #188374 12/20/2009 8:10 PM
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,295
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,295
Maybe a season's poem will turn the page



The Oxen

CHRISTMAS EVE, and twelve of the clock.
'Now they are all on their knees'
An elder said as we sat in a flock
By the embers in hearthside ease.

We pictured the meek mild creatures where
They dwelt in their strawy pen,
Nor did it occur to one of us there
To doubt they were kneeling then.

So fair a fancy few would weave
In these years! Yet, I feel,
If someone said on Christmas Eve,
"Come; see the oxen kneel

'In the lonely barton by yonder coomb
Our childhood used to know,'
I should go with him in the gloom,
Hoping it would be so.

Thomas Hardy

1915


Last edited by BranShea; 12/20/2009 8:11 PM. Reason: It did
BranShea #188375 12/20/2009 8:15 PM
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,295
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,295
And then I will repost the post I did that was on topic of hascent :

Tuber morphology, germination behaviour and propagation efficiency in three …
K Joseph John, VT Antony, J Marydas, R … - Genetic Resources and …, 2009 - Springer
... In undisturbed pots, it was 60, 120 and 128 days, respectively. Invariably all the
three species started sprouting by the end of Febru- ary. Moisture loss and aeration
may be the factors responsible for hascent (early) sprouting. ...

Link


BranShea #188376 12/20/2009 8:23 PM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
>for hascent (early) sprouting.

yet another (repeated) typo for nascent, I fear. crazy
-ron o.

tsuwm #188377 12/20/2009 8:54 PM
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,295
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,295
That means the Spanish and the English made the same typo?

BranShea #188379 12/20/2009 9:09 PM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
I'm not thinking of the typist, but rather the keyboard. and I assume that both keyboards (in these two cases) had the H just above the N.
-joe (it's not much of a reach) friday

tsuwm #188381 12/21/2009 2:01 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 956
old hand
old hand
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 956
both keyboards (in these two cases) had the H just above the N.

Most do. Others such as the Turkish F layout (The H being next to rather than above) have almost been phased out and those that dont have latinised characters are slightly different. Most other differences are either 'Shift'ed' or 'Alt'ed'.

olly #188383 12/21/2009 2:12 AM
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613
Okay--I took out the long URLs and quotes; that seems to have fixed it.

Dale, I'll PM you with what I took out and where it was from, in case it was information you wanted to save.

Last edited by Jackie; 12/21/2009 2:14 AM.
Jackie #188385 12/21/2009 3:20 AM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
thanks, Jackie. my post with the link "yes, it does", (#188358) still has the link embedded, as does dale's subsequent "Something" link...


formerly known as etaoin...
Buffalo Shrdlu #188396 12/22/2009 1:59 AM
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613
Is the thread still wide for you, Honey? It's normal for me.

Jackie #188399 12/22/2009 2:43 AM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
Originally Posted By: Jackie
Is the thread still wide for you, Honey? It's normal for me.


no, it's fine now. I just wanted to let you know that the info dale might need is still in the "properly" formatted links.


you done good! :¬ )


formerly known as etaoin...
Buffalo Shrdlu #188401 12/22/2009 3:31 AM
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613
[bow] grin

BranShea #188856 01/21/2010 2:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1
stranger
stranger
Offline
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1
Originally Posted By: BranShea
Tuber morphology, germination behaviour and propagation efficiency in three …
K Joseph John, VT Antony, J Marydas, R … - Genetic Resources and …, 2009 - Springer
... In undisturbed pots, it was 60, 120 and 128 days, respectively. Invariably all the
three species started sprouting by the end of Febru- ary. Moisture loss and aeration
may be the factors responsible for hascent (early) sprouting. ...

Link


Some of the quotes with hascent (like the Cox one, and this ) do seem to be a straightforward mistyping of nascent, but this germination quote stands out. Sprouting is itself a nascent state, so it is redundant to describe it as one. "Nascent sprouting" also doesn't express what is told through context, which is that the sprouting is not so much nascent as it is hastened. I've seen the word hascent once before, and I wonder if it is similar to hastened and somehow slipped through the cracks.

goldenloom #188858 01/21/2010 7:47 PM
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,295
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,295
(your link)", there is a major difference between the nascent entrepreneurs and the comparison group; the hascent entrepreneurs are more active, with 40% reporting two or more activities" .... etc.

Here it looks like it's only used once, which makes it appear some wordplay of the writer of the statistics as there is only mentioning of 'comparison group' for the rest of it. But if you have seen it used elsewhere it may be growing into a real word.

welcome

BranShea #188860 01/21/2010 7:57 PM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
>a real word

bushwa. (now there's a real word. : )

which is to say, I'm still in the H apposed to N camp.

tsuwm #188870 01/22/2010 1:00 AM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
Nascent is from the Latin nasci, 'to be born'. If anyone can scare up a Latin word anything like hasci, 'to be early' I'll leave tsuwm's camp. Until then I'm with the typo-for-nascent theory.

Faldage #188872 01/22/2010 1:39 AM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,290
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,290
Latin word anything like hasci, 'to be early'

Nope. I vote for nascent also.


Ceci n'est pas un seing.
zmjezhd #188879 01/22/2010 4:33 PM
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,295
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,295
But why can't it be a spontaneous mutation word? Must it be traced back to Latin?

BranShea #188880 01/22/2010 4:38 PM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,290
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,290
But why can't it be a spontaneous mutation word?

It is. It' a typo. Funny enough, Google Books returned a lot of ghits for hascent, but upon inspection they all turned out to be misreadings for nascent.

Must it be traced back to Latin?

Nope, but some of us here enjoy the chase immensely. Others prefer just speculatin', which is okay, too.


Ceci n'est pas un seing.
zmjezhd #188882 01/22/2010 4:58 PM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
you could always add it to one of those 'open dictionaries' - that would make it "real" in no time at all.

edit: I'd love to work on the etymology..
[fr. nascent, through keyboard apposition]

Last edited by tsuwm; 01/22/2010 5:04 PM.
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Jackie 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Disclaimer: Wordsmith.org is not responsible for views expressed on this site. Use of this forum is at your own risk and liability - you agree to hold Wordsmith.org and its associates harmless as a condition of using it.

Home | Today's Word | Yesterday's Word | Subscribe | FAQ | Archives | Search | Feedback
Wordsmith Talk | Wordsmith Chat

© 1994-2025 Wordsmith

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 8.0.0