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#180846 12/11/2008 5:32 PM
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From: Jordan Hall
To: wwftd master
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: today's wwftd is... holus-bolus


Hi There,


If this is the sole interpretation (and indeed it's the only definition I've ever come across) what do you make of this usage by Christopher Fry?


TYSON: ... One of those quaint astrological holus-boluses, quite all right.


TAPPERCOOM: Quite. An excess of phlegm in the solar system. It was on its way to a heavenly spittoon.


(From The Lady's Not For Burning, 1948)


Thanks,
Joran

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Subject: today's wwftd is... holus-bolus

the worthless word for the day is: holus-bolus

[prob. reduplication of bolus, a large pill]
/HO lus BO lus/
all at once: altogether
(file bolus under: so that's what that's called)

"With these words, she appeared to lose all command
over herself; and, making a sudden snatch at the heap
of silver, put it back, holus-bolus, in her pocket."
- Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone (1868)

"That scene is stolen, holus bolus, for the remake,
which lards in all the fiery extras that really don't
add much."
- Peter Howell (movie critic), The Toronto Star
Feb 3, 2008

"With your thumb, push the stem rod forward to place
the capsule or bolus into the horse's throat."
- Theo. Landers, Professional Care of the Racehorse (2006)


a secondary sense of bolus is (by M-W) a soft mass of chewed food. the usual usage of holus-bolus is as an adverb: <gulped it down, holus-bolus> what Fry seems to have done (in nouning the adverb, rather) is convert it to rhyming slang. any thoughts?

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Where I live, Tyson, refers to Chicken products. As for the rest:
Whew, I'm lost.


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tsuwm #180910 12/13/2008 11:48 PM
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Um...what came before "One of those quaint astrological holus-boluses, quite all right.", do we know? That is, was it anything that might have added to the context?
Based on these two lines, I would guess* that something quick and fairly catastrophic had occurred; a sun spot erupting, or a "shooting star", or even a nova.
*Assuming that the author knew the meaning of holus-bolus and was not, as you suggested, simply putting it in for the "sound effect" as it were.

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here's what I finally found at Google[books] when I searched for "holus-boluses" blush

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[Psalm 140] A lament seeking rescue from violent and treacherous foes. link

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A dictionary offers (link): "A mess, jumbled up. [Cod Latin or a ponderous pun on Greek holos bolos]".


Ceci n'est pas un seing.
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Playwright Fry found holus-bolus useful, but a rhyming poet or songwriter might as well—if looking for a rhyme for hocus-pocus.

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Hey, it was a shooting star! What do you know?

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speaking of hocus-pocus: the old Catholic Mass: HOC EST enim
corPUS meum: "this is my body". The priest faced the wall, the
bread became the body of Christ, the uneducated masses (people)
thought it was magic: hence: what they could hear: hocus-pocus.


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LukeJavan8 #180934 12/15/2008 6:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: LukeJavan8
speaking of hocus-pocus: the old Catholic Mass: HOC EST enim
corPUS meum: "this is my body". The priest faced the wall, the
bread became the body of Christ, the uneducated masses (people)
thought it was magic: hence: what they could hear: hocus-pocus.


Quinion advises taking this with "a fair-sized pinch of salt." link


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Only because the first recorded use in writing was in a Protestant polemical piece. That doesn't mean it's not true. I would think that would still be the best guess - most people in those times would have thought it sounded somewhat like the Latin Mass. Whether it was started by an irreverent Catholic or Protestant, a send up of the Mass seems a logical origin for it. There are documented alleged cases in the 16th century and earlier of profane and cynical priests doing just that kind of thing - saying nonsense phrases instead of the right Latin words and having a joke on the ignorant peasants who thought they were getting the Sacrament according to the rites of the Church when all they were being offered was...hocus pocus.


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