#24459
03/23/2001 1:59 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379
Pooh-Bah
|
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379 |
|
|
|
#24460
03/23/2001 2:17 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858 |
Dear inselpeter: go to Yahoo search box. enter "rhyming slang and there are several links.
|
|
|
#24461
03/23/2001 2:35 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379
Pooh-Bah
|
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379 |
Thanks, wwh
Here are 10 of hundreds
Acker Bilk = Milk
Artfull Dodger = Lodger
Bag of Yeast = Priest
Barclays Bank = Wank
Ben Cartwright = Shite
Dancing Fleas = Keys
Dead Horse = Tomato Sauce
Frog and Toad = Road
Hit and Miss = Piss
|
|
|
#24462
03/23/2001 2:42 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 609
addict
|
|
addict
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 609 |
Yes - follow the links. Maybe just two things to say here quickly. Firstly, the slang was used (like backslang and similar) to enable private talk between traders in an open market. Secondly, many phrases that started off as rhyming slang have entered into the language (at least here in UK).
[See below for enlarged list].
There was an article recently (2 months?) in press saying UK teenagers were reinventing the fashion.
That was three ...> Amongst the numerous things to say here ..
List [not exhaustive] of Rhyming slang in fairly common use, at least I think most UK people wouldn't notice anything that unusual when hearing them.
That's a load of cobblers = Cobbler's Awls = Balls
He's an absolute burke =Berkley Hunt= stupid person
Use your loaf =loaf of Bread = head
I'm just off for a Jimmy Riddle=Piddle
He's telling porkies again = Pork Pies=Lies
Its the police, Scarper! = Scapa Flow = Go
She's in a right two'n'eight=state
jamjar.com = web site that sells cars
Rod Ward =bored
|
|
|
#24463
03/23/2001 2:46 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379
Pooh-Bah
|
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379 |
That was three ...> Amongst the numerous things to say here .. Thanks, rod, please say on! 
|
|
|
#24464
03/23/2001 3:53 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 1,289
veteran
|
|
veteran
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 1,289 |
When I saw Dead horse = tomato sauce, I was puzzled until I remembered that you have to use UK (specifically Cockney) pronunciation to get the rhyme. I believe I remember reading in a Rumpole story that "grass" (=informer, narc} is an example of rhyming slang, but don't remember where it comes from.
|
|
|
#24465
03/23/2001 4:13 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 76
journeyman
|
|
journeyman
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 76 |
There was an article recently (2 months?) in press saying UK teenagers were reinventing the fashion.
When I saw the Ben Cartwright = Shite one I was surprised to see one of recent coinage, not to mention with an American pop culture reference - unless there's another Ben Cartwright I don't know about. Neat that the teens are into it.
|
|
|
#24466
03/23/2001 6:16 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,773
Pooh-Bah
|
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,773 |
The one word in common use in my chunk of the country which I know to be derived from rhyming slang is "raspberry," short for "raspberry tart," which was rhymed with ... ummm ... 
|
|
|
#24467
03/23/2001 7:28 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 20
stranger
|
|
stranger
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 20 |
My Catholic family in Northern Ireland introduced me to several "cream buns" and "far Easts," which is "nuns" and "priests" for the rest of us.
They also had a little saying about running up the apples and pears (stairs) to your bed, but I can't remember the rest of it.
|
|
|
#24468
03/23/2001 9:50 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379
Pooh-Bah
|
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379 |
wwh came up with a proto-rhymer on another list, "son-of-a-gun," for which he gave an interesting etymology. Challenge: produce a { = rheimer}
|
|
|
#24469
03/24/2001 8:23 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,146
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,146 |
The one word in common use in my chunk of the country which I know to be derived from rhyming slang is "raspberry," short for "raspberry tart," which was rhymed with ... ummm ...Hate to burst your bubble, Sparteye, but my dear old Gran taught me this one! She called it "Blowing raspberries" 
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
|
|
|
#24470
03/24/2001 1:57 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,439
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,439 |
>"Blowing raspberries"
We usually blame it on the dogs!
|
|
|
#24471
03/24/2001 2:17 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858 |
Maybe fifty years ago "razzberry" or "razz" was common slang for a rude noise made by expelling air from mouth in a way that made lips vibrate. It was intended to be an insult to someone at some distance, such as a referee who had made an unpopular decision.
|
|
|
#24472
03/24/2001 2:42 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379
Pooh-Bah
|
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379 |
around here, that's called a Bronx jeer, or maybe a Bronx cheer -- I've never seen it written and we around here, especially north of Inwood, are noted for our elocution or as some would say, we are noted for our poor elocution.
|
|
|
#24473
03/24/2001 3:11 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661 |
"Dead Horse = Tomato Sauce" Who thinks this "rhymes"? 
|
|
|
#24474
03/24/2001 3:20 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379
Pooh-Bah
|
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379 |
"Dead Horse = Tomato Sauce"
Who thinks this "rhymes"?You remember "Bonanza?" I think we can take a clue from, "Ben Cartwright = Shite" Ben's huge son's name was Hoss, or Hawss rhymes with "sauce"
|
|
|
#24475
03/24/2001 3:32 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661 |
I got that clue... but does anyone really pronounce it that way... "dialectally speaking"?
|
|
|
#24476
03/24/2001 4:33 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379
Pooh-Bah
|
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379 |
If they didn't, it couldn't have come about.
|
|
|
#24477
03/24/2001 4:44 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661 |
Laboring at the obvious (he says hoping to stay ahead in total posts and some semblance of spect) ... whom, 'prey' tell...
|
|
|
#24478
03/24/2001 5:11 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379
Pooh-Bah
|
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379 |
Why, them's that said it in the first place, of course! (or, as Briar Rabbit said to Briar Fox, "That's the way it goes in this world, briar fox, somes goes up and somes goes down!)
|
|
|
#24479
03/24/2001 5:36 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661 |
As 'possed to BYB's splaynin', I's 'open t'ere or see a "'plete" listin' or ' least a quotin' of fockin' cocknie...(just trying to sling some slang off the slope of my sleeve)
|
|
|
#24480
03/24/2001 5:37 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542 |
>maybe a Bronx cheer -- I've never seen it written... 8-Þ phbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt 
|
|
|
#24481
03/24/2001 6:00 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379
Pooh-Bah
|
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379 |
I'm bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbroken hearted.
|
|
|
#24482
03/24/2001 8:12 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409 |
"Dead Horse = Tomato Sauce"
Who thinks this "rhymes"?"Horse" and "sauce" rhyme perfectly in Zild, and I'm sure that other non-rhotic English variants are similah.
|
|
|
#24483
03/24/2001 11:31 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 3
stranger
|
|
stranger
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 3 |
hit the frog and toad (road)
go to steak and kidney (Sydney)
trouble and strife (wife)
|
|
|
#24484
03/25/2001 3:08 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613 |
"Horse" and "sauce" rhyme perfectly in ZildWell, you may speak Zild, but here we speak English, and horse rhymes with source, my dear an-"r"-ic one. Do you-all put source on your spaghetti, then? Oh, and that's "herrrrrrrrrre", not "hee-yah".
|
|
|
#24485
03/25/2001 1:07 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,065
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,065 |
Horse and sauce are definitely rhymes for me as well.
Bingley
Bingley
|
|
|
#24486
03/25/2001 2:14 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,439
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,439 |
Horse and sauce are sing-sound around Boston, too.
wow
|
|
|
#24487
03/25/2001 5:27 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661 |
Is this the " equivalent" of pronouncing the word wash as " wore-sh"?
|
|
|
#24488
03/25/2001 6:02 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 11,613 |
Is this the "equivalent" of pronouncing the word wash as "wore-sh"?
Aaaahhhh--don't get me started! These are the same people who go out to the garden and pick flahrs.
|
|
|
#24489
03/25/2001 6:28 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409 |
Is this the "equivalent" of pronouncing the word wash as "wore-sh"?Help me out, s'il you bitte, musick. Do you mean that for you the vowel sounds in "wash" and "horse" are the same? That would make "horse" into "hoss", here at any rate. The reason horse and sauce rhyme here is because, we don't pronounce "r" much. This was a conscious decision on our part, done to provide amusement for the overly rhotic, especially those who know what paua are.
|
|
|
#24490
03/25/2001 6:30 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 6,511
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 6,511 |
"phbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt" is a bilabial fricative. I'll go back to my cave now.
|
|
|
#24491
03/25/2001 7:05 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661 |
paua = "pa-yew-ah"?(that's how I read it) I've never heard this. I was originally going to say "...retrograde...", but I figured "equivalent" would highlight the last time someone in this thread ignored my " ". (I guess not ) Do you mean that for you the vowel sounds in "wash" and "horse" are the same? No. Enough help, I hope . Now help me... "s'il you bitte? paua?"
|
|
|
#24492
03/25/2001 7:39 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 3,409 |
Now help me..."s'il you bitte? paua?""s'il you bitte" is the simply the extent of my grasp of the the three languages used, "s'il vous plait", "if you please", "bitte". Paua, pronounced pa-wah is the Maori name for the shellfish USns call abalone. My reference to it was a jocular aside to one who cruelly mocked my non-rhoticism.
|
|
|
#24493
03/26/2001 1:34 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379
Pooh-Bah
|
|
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,379 |
Thanks, Daryl
Those are great. I did see a similar road and toad one, but I thought it was too obscure. This one is plain as day, and I like it :). Obscuraty isn't necessarily something that keeps me from posting things, but on this one, I was trying to lure them in.
Glad to have aboard! I hope you have fun here, and to hear lots from you!
David
|
|
|
#24494
03/26/2001 9:57 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,055
old hand
|
|
old hand
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,055 |
See how much you understand David: I was in the Karsi, sitting on me Kyber, using the grey matter, when I thought, wouldn't it be nice if me Dutch made some Rosy. She got some fresh Adam's there. So I went down the Apples and told her. We could go up to the Rubba. Me in me best Whistle and Titfer and me new Daisy's, and her in her best bib and tucker with her new Tile. It's a long Frog but we'd do it O.K. on Shank's Pony. That's if our Plates last out. Probably see a couple of me Chinas there with the Arrows and a Pig or two. One's a Brummie, one's a Scouse. He might have his Geordie mate with him too. Could see another China of the way, he's a Septic but not a bad bloke. Likes to knock you a bit though. If I see the Runner, I'll probably put a Pony on a Nag, but if there is a Peeler about, he'll probably have it on his toes. If he gets Nicked he'll be Banged up for a full moon. I'll ask for a Butcher's at the form if he's on his Jack. If I win I'll get a Lardy and some snout for her. She's a bit Mutton at the moment but you should see the Minces in her Boat and her Barnet is a joy to behold. Won't even mention her North and South. Lovely as ever. Confused Dave? 'Ave a butcher's at http://www.bio.nrc.ca/cockney/. And get that expression off your Chevy Chase :-)
|
|
|
#24495
03/26/2001 1:52 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803 |
AnnaS notes: "phbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt" is a bilabial fricative.
I've allus spelled it BWR. It's the first phoneme in BWRENTARRRR, the Ludicrans word for big motorcycle.
|
|
|
#24496
03/27/2001 1:07 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661 |
Thanks. That's b'youth'full.
|
|
|
#24497
03/27/2001 1:32 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,891
Carpal Tunnel
|
|
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,891 |
I understand the need to use these rhyming slangs during the war, when there was a need to camouflage what you were saying...but why does this continue today.
Why would anyone prefer saying "I Adam and Eve you" instead of "I believe you"?
Look at the paragraph given by belli above. It can be cut in half if you use the real words or have these expressions become the real words?
Does a child who is raised speaking only the cockney tongue know that a barrow is called a barrow in the English speaking world. If you show him a picture of a barrow, does he know it as as a bow and arrow only?
In the dictionary you send us to Belli, there are words that are represented by pretty recent things like Sigourney Weaver and Britney Spears. Would EVERBODY know what a speaker was talking about if they used those two terms?
|
|
|
#24498
03/27/2001 6:50 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,055
old hand
|
|
old hand
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,055 |
> Would EVERBODY know what a speaker was talking about if they used those two terms?
I don't think so; that's half the fun of it though - to work things out from their context. It's playful; you can coin your own, and you're never wrong! I don't think there's much of a worry that kids would only learn the rhyming slang terms, because the vocab. is very general, just common, everyday words which they'd pick up regardless which way.
|
|
|
|
|
