#24337
03/22/2001 8:11 PM
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I think the subject says it all. I've heard the phrase a million times, sometimes 'jerry-rigging.' And my questions are simple...who was Jerry? Or who was on the jury? How did we get such a screwy synonym for 'improvised.'
In the immortal words of Cecil Adams, "The next time we invent a language, somebody's gotta take better notes."
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#24338
03/22/2001 8:18 PM
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according to AHD:
From jury-rig, jury-rigging, improvised rigging on a ship, modeled on
jury-mast, temporary mast, perhaps ultimately from Old French ajurie, help,
from aider, to help.
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#24339
03/22/2001 8:20 PM
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I understood this to have a nautical origin (it is used a lot in O'Brian and Forester's novels about the British Navy - if a pseudo-YART may be expressed here), coming from a jury-mast, used to temporarily replace a mast that has been shot through by cannon or otherwise rendered useless. Here's what I found in the American Heritage Dictionary:
From jury-rig, jury-rigging - improvised rigging on a ship, modeled on jury-mast, temporary mast, perhaps ultimately from Old French ajurie, help, from aider, to help.
Postscript: ARGHHAGH! Beaten to it by tsuwm by 72 seconds! Story of my life.
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#24340
03/22/2001 8:23 PM
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"Jury rigging" is a very old sailor's term for an emergency repair, an expedient intended only to get the ship to a safe harbor where a proper permanent repair can be made.Its origin is obscure.
"Jerry-built" I have heard for defectively built houses
After seeing tsuwm/s post, I think there is merit in attributing it to the French word given for "jury".
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#24341
03/23/2001 12:01 PM
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My brother in law has the surname German and is a builder, which brings the same joke every time about jerry building.
Is the derivation of Jerry=German from GERman, or something subtler?
Rod Ward
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#24342
03/23/2001 1:16 PM
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Being from a seafaring area I've always been clear on jury rigging but how about jerry-built?
I know it means shabbily done or built to sell but not to last very long... but perhaps you have a different meaning ?
I often hear the two flip-flopped ... and jury-built used instead of jerry-built.
Is it perhaps because jury-rigged sounds more like you have tried to tamper with an empanelled jury?
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#24343
03/23/2001 1:31 PM
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Here's what the Word Detective has:
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Caught in the rigging.
Dear Word Detective: I'm curious about the word "jerryrig," as in to make do with materials on hand. I recently saw it spelled "juryrig," but the context seemed to be the same. Is the correct spelling "jerry" or "jury" and what is the origin of the word? What, if anything, does it have to do with a rigged jury? -- Jill Fitzpatrick, via the Internet.
Not much, if anything. Then again, some of the juries running around out there these days could probably do with a little jury-rigging, perhaps a little money under the table for paying attention to the simple facts of the case. Between turning certain people loose in the face of mountains of evidence and fining other folks millions of dollars for lying on their job applications, juries are rather rapidly reaching a level of credibility formerly attained only by UFOlogists and mail-order psychics.
In any case, the "jury-rig" (it is usually hyphenated) you're asking about has nothing whatever to do with juries in the judicial sense. "Jury" was originally a naval term for any makeshift contrivance substituting for the real thing in an emergency, most commonly found in the term "jury-mast," a temporary mast constructed in place of one that had been broken. There's some debate about where the word "jury" in this sense came from, with the leading (but unverified) theory being that it was short for "injury."
To say that something is "jerryrigged" is to mix idioms a bit, because the proper term is "jerrybuilt." A "jerrybuilder," a term dating to 19th-century England, was originally a house builder who constructed flimsy homes from inferior materials. The "jerry" in the term may have been a real person known for the practice, or may be a mangled form of "jury," as in "jury-rigged." I tend to think that "jerrybuilt" arose separately from "jury-rig" simply because their senses are slightly different. Something that is "jury-rigged" is concocted on the spur of the moment to meet an emergency, but something "jerrybuilt" is deliberately constructed of inferior materials to turn a quick buck.
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#24344
03/23/2001 1:44 PM
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Dear Rod: In WWII, "Jerry" was US Army slang for the krauts.
But they had a very useful sturdy container for motor vehicle fuel, which we very much admired, copied, and called a "jerry can".
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#24345
03/23/2001 1:50 PM
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On the "authority" of the movie "Five Graves to Cairo," the derogatory "[J]erry" was given the Germans by the Brits on whose maps "Germany" was abbreviated "Ger'y"
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03/23/2001 2:16 PM
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Another term I am fond of for cheap, poor quality construction work is to call something a "cob-job" (from "to cobble", I assume). Cob-job also tends to be verbed, as in: "Boy, somebody really cobbed these cabinets in here."
Flatlander
ps. Anyone know what a "deadman" is in construction parlance? Answer will follow.
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#24347
03/23/2001 2:27 PM
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In maritime parlance "dead men" are loose ends of gaskets hanging from a yard; or "Irish pennants" which means a loose end hanging about the sails or rigging. What's your definition?  wow
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#24348
03/23/2001 2:31 PM
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Gee, Flatlander, I know that a deadman's switch is one designed to require active operation, so that leaving one unattended stops operation of the machinery. I associate deadman's switches with trains. I'm guessing that, in the construction industry, a deadman is something similarly related to safety?
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#24349
03/23/2001 2:46 PM
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Plank projecting over end of scaffolding?
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#24350
03/23/2001 3:56 PM
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ps. Anyone know what a "deadman" is in construction parlance? Answer will follow.
It exists in medical physics, too. When I'd first heard it, I'd guessed it was borrowed from heavy equipment operations of some sort. It's the switch you have to hold down to keep the gantry moving when setting up a linear accelerator for a radiation therapy treatment. Presumably if the gantry squashes you unexpectedly against the wall, you let go of the deadman , and it stops squashing further.
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03/23/2001 4:01 PM
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>Boy, somebody really cobbed these cabinets in here.
we'd say "cobbled" in that instance.
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03/23/2001 4:16 PM
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we'd say "cobbled" in that instance. undoing the 'haplog'
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03/23/2001 5:45 PM
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Anyone know what a "deadman" is in construction parlance? Answer will follow.
A "deadman" is a temporary post or column used to hold up a ceiling or roof while the walls are built/repaired, presumably because a dead man could do the job. I like it because it's such a morbid word for such a simple thing.
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03/23/2001 8:14 PM
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presumably because a dead man could do the job
Presumably because he's a stiff?
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#24355
03/24/2001 4:22 AM
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The Five Graves to Cairo were the five letters of "Cairo," so much (once again) for poor sources. Still, I have it from some damn place that Jerry is Ger'y.
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03/24/2001 7:46 AM
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In WWII, "Jerry" was US Army slang for the krauts.
Copied from the British if used by the Americans. "Kraut" (derived from "sauerkraut"?) was the usual American slang. "Jerry" was originally a semi-affectionate(!) contraction of "German" coined in Britain.
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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03/24/2001 3:47 PM
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["Jerry" is from a contraction for "Germany"]
Err, is this a demi-YART, or have I not yet ausge-Sleuthed YART's meaning?
(please see my "Erp" in this thread) [WoundedFeelingsIcon]
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#24358
03/26/2001 10:41 PM
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My Dad always makes the separation the nicknames for germans belonging to the different World Wars, Krauts - WW1 & Jerry - WW2. For him I think the distinction has something to do with his father & father-in-law were on opposites side of WW1, & the surname change when dad was a kid. Dad is 80 and fought in WW2.
Anybody know what "Dirty Irish" meant/means? Recently Dad related a story about his father-in-Law always wearing this very ugly both orange & green ex-large ex-long tie on St. Pat's, in reponse to the bad treatment of DirtyIrish which he considered himself. My guess is that is was meant poor/ or working class. I'm not sure what he meant by bad treatment either, possible that religious war or some specific connection to his generation.
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03/26/2001 11:02 PM
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A deadman is also a piece of mountaineering equipment, also known as a snow anchor. It's a light-weight piece of metal in a sort of flattened V shape, with a line attached to the point of the V - it's used in deep snow to keep one from sliding away (somehow - I've seen one, and even carried one, but never had to use one).
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