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"Dihydrogen monoxide" is NOT the chemical name of water. It is a joke name made up by people who know a little chemistry, but not much.
I have a degee in chemistry, including graduate work and experimental research, and NO ONE in that profession EVER calls water dihydrogen monoxide. They call it "water". If it were to be named according to its constituent elements, it would be called "hydrogen oxide" - but it's not. It's referred to as "water".
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You are right to observe that NO ONE in that profession EVER calls water dihydrogen monoxide . Nevertheless, it is a formally correct chemical name for it. The history of chemical nomenclature is marked by the competition between formal names and so-called trivial names. "Water" (like Benzene) is a typical trivial name, which has not been contested so far.
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That www.dhmo.org site is brilliant though.
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> it is a formally correct chemical name for it.
That may be so and also convenient but it ain't really what it is. I mean, with all its unusual properties such hydrogen bonding, it can, for example, also be described ionically. Some other names are aqua, hydroxic acid, hydrogen hydroxide and oxane, but it remains a gas or liquid that that concepts cannot explain. :-)
Oh, and if there are any takers, I remember some kind of water-based solvent being called 'hydro' in something I once watched.
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but it remains a gas or liquid that that concepts cannot explain - With all my due respect, but it seems that you have fallen into the "essentialist trap". A name is but a code used to refer to a concept. It is not a concept by itself. If you try to chose or invent a name that "explains" a thing, you are likely to fail: mostly because the name would become half a page long, or more (in the case of water, probably a book  )
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After all snow is chemically water but a WHOLE different concept.
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"A name is but a code used to refer to a concept. It is not a concept by itself." And a concept is only a percieved characteristic of our universe that through the very act of naming it, makes that characteristic general. But it doesn't necessarily make it real. 
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Quote:
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And a concept is only a percieved characteristic of our universe that through the very act of naming it, makes that characteristic general.
But it doesn't necessarily make it real.
aka the Sapir-Whorf-Milum hypothesis.
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Did the dihydrogen monoxide name come up in some other context than www.dhmo.org? Because this is an awfully serious debate about a name for water that's obviously part of a hoax.
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Anna! Good to see your fonts again, m'dear. 
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If someone has a very distinctive e-mail style is it a font-print?
edit PS Anna, hope your leg feels better, are you allowed to put weight on it?
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I just got the cast replaced by a boot -- still FOUR more weeks before I can put weight on it, though I can now use it for balance when transferring from bed to walker.
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Heal girl, heal! edited for typo
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