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Catchphrase evidently denoting a faction of the right wing defending tradition. Tens of thousands of Ghits but no defs
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May not be tradition so much as decency.
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Arqmis: Respecting the ties between language and politics, it was only a few years ago that a Politically Correct contingent of the Evangelical Right decreed that "flesh" was too suggestive for the color and that thereafter it wold be called "peach" There are probably many aspects of the "cultural right" besides "decency" or prudery; eg, stubborn ties to the ways of the past, closer connection between Religion and State; exploitation by the Establishment of the weak and ignorant, abuse of the environment (esp a recent development), etc etc But lest I be accused of political bias, I'd be happy to elaborate. I am dalehileman@verizon.netI don't care who knows Am still open to a good def--thanks all
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Ok, dalehileman, if you have ears to hear here is the definition of "Cultural Right". "Culture" is understood as the sum total of the collective information that has evolved as an adjunct to biology to perpetuate the DNA of the Cultural group. With the advent of free and representive government the basic beliefs of the people diverged into two distinct forms that required definition. (A) the Cultural Left who believe that social manipulation by a selected elite would best direct mankind towards a better world as decided by these same elite. And... (B)the Cultural Right who believe that mankind was created for a noble purpose by a creator and that purpose can be discerned best through the collective wisdom of cultural experiences gone before. Or... (A) and (B) the "Cultural Right" believes in a God and those of the "Cultural Left" don't. Simple, huh? 
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Now, now, guys 'n gals... I know it's soooo tempting to attempt to define the undefinable for each other... you end up getting cultured by the simplicity of it all. Let's just say you're both wrong and then PM me your definitions of what you think I think 'wrong' means. 
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Sorry guys if my question wasn't quite clear. While I have a general feel for the differences between left and right and I'm familiar with the meaning of "cultural," it's likely that the word combination implies a more specific area of the political scene and so what I need is a concise definition embodying this concept
the: Thank you for your input, but your defs don't quite ring the bell. I would question, for one, whether the "cultural right" necessarily entails the evangelical faction
The expr "cultural right," for instance, implies more than conservative thinking, is more specific by excluding certain areas, eg, perhaps finance and international relationships or including others not immediately obvious. One may understand what is meant by "press," for instance, but this does not necessarily affirm that he knows what is meant by "durable press," by which he might infer the longevity of plywood
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> plywood
in light of Milo's daffynitions, this is right on the mark.
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Arqmis: Respecting the ties between language and politics, it was only a few years ago that a Politically Correct contingent of the Evangelical Right decreed that "flesh" was too suggestive for the color and that thereafter it wold be called "peach"
I thought the Crayola PC problem was that not everyone's skin is "flesh"-colored rather than that it was evocative of the sins of the peach.
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Myr: Are the sins of the peach something from the bible
I'm still open to a good, succinct def of "cultural right" or also "left"
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I'm still open to a good, succinct def of "cultural right" or also "left"
No you are wrong. You are not open for a definition of the "cultural right". You are only ready for a definition that pleases you. Just tell us, dale, what is it that pleases you and then you will automatically arrive at your own pleasing definition.
Here's mine...
The cultural left is afraid of the World and the cultural right ain't.
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The cultural left is afraid of the World and the cultural right ain't.
Good example of a pseudo-definition. It offers ostensible characteristics of the things it claims to define without actually saying what it is.
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Qui non intellegit, aut taceat aut discat: if you don't get it, shut up or go figure.
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Qui non intellegit, aut taceat aut discat: if you don't get it, shut up or go figure.
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You put words in my mouth, mister tsuwm -- latin words, and rightly so because English could never be so succinct. But my respect for my goodbuddy Faldage requires the polite elaboration due those highborn, so here goes...
The Cultural Left
People who join political groups (in fact or in spirit) for their own personal needs and reasons regardless of any harm done to others.
The Cultural Right
Individuals who belong to political and social groups for selfless purposes that celebrate the act of being human.
(There is more, but reality, like a good wine, is better served in small glasses.)
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> a good wine sounds more like a good whine, Milo... 
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I get the distinct impression that some of the above defs incorporate the contributors' opinions
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I get the distinct impression that some of the above defs incorporate the contributors' opinions
... which is why most of us avoid talking politics on this language board.
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Anna: Maybe that's a good idea but I'm still open to nonpartisan defs of the two exprs
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Anna: Maybe that's a good idea but I'm still open to nonpartisan defs of the two exprs
Well, Hileman, it is big of you to be open to new defs (what the hell is a defs?) and it is small of you to declare my defs biased.
What the sam hill are you asking?
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Since we're making up daffy defs, here's mine:
The cultural left condemns a rich person for his wealth.
The cultural right condemns a poor person for his poverty.
How symmetrical life is! [insert emotikon inane here]
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what the hell is a defs?
You are onto something there, at last. Why not first define "definition"? It contains the root "finis", meaning border, frontier. This hints at the difficulty of drawing a borderline between two directions, or polarities, or tendencies. Quite automatically, personal preferences creep in, because there is no fixed middle point.
If you compound that with the notoriously controversial subject of culture, you are ready for battle. If you prefer peace, first try to keep things (actions, customs) and their (fashion-dependent) designations apart.
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It ought to be possible to define "cultural left" ad "right" without introducing bias. For instance CULTURAL LEFT: Vaguely defined, usually journalistic conception of the anti-traditional proponents of multiculturalism and/or political correctness as heirs to the radical politics of the 1960s, especially feminism and Marxism, and supposedly related tendencies, like deconstruction and ethnicity from http://people.ok.ubc.ca/creative/glossary/c_list.html...although this def covers only the left and is wordier than I prefer, it llustrates what a typical def might sound like without necessarily injecting the writer's opinion
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...Vaguely defined, usually journalistic conception of... Ergo my comment "...you end up getting cultured by the simplicity of it all." 
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At least from an European perspective, putting political correctness , feminism, Marxism, deconstruction and ethnicity all in the same bag, is a recipe for trouble. The only thing these tendencies have in common, is their occasional role as bogeymen in the discourse of the opposing faction.
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...bogeymen in the discourse of the opposing faction
What a delightful phrase, how it trips off the tongue
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What a delightful phrase, how it trips off the tongue
...and this from a non-native speaker of English! I love it, as well as your entire post, Herr Sieber. 
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It ought to be possible to define "cultural left" ad "right" without introducing bias. For instance
CULTURAL LEFT: Vaguely defined, usually journalistic conception of the anti-traditional proponents of multiculturalism and/or political correctness as heirs to the radical politics of the 1960s, especially feminism and Marxism, and supposedly related tendencies, like deconstruction and ethnicity
Would anyone care to count the "loaded" and or "biased" terms in that definition? If you apply the label cultural left to yourself, would you necessarily appreciate your beliefs/opinions being described as "vague journalistic anti-traditional multicultural politically-correct hippie-radical feminist Marxist deconstructionist ethnic"?
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Myr: So I didn't read it very carefully. Still I'd like to find a pair of usable defs without the need for wading through thousands of Ghits then having to devise my own
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Right handers form a significant majority; left handers are a small portion of the population. A position that is far from accepted norms or odd is considered leftfield. Right means correct, left is suspect. The conundrum of the traditionally weighed out equation put forth is that the right is often rejected and yet the left still always remains a minority position. If it does not, an overthrow occurs and new structures form.
The political terms right and left come from the seating in the parliament of pre-revolutionary France. The Estates-General was divided into three sections: the nobles, the clergy and the commoners' representatives (all rich, btw). The commoners reps sat on the left, the first estate on the right and the second in the middle. The left were revolutionary and declared themselves to be the new National Assembly and did a liberal amount of noble butchering and so on it revolves...
Cultural left: Opposition. Minority position that purports to support the interests of the (disenfranchised) majority and generally promotes centrifugal forces; threatens cultural maxims, seeks breakup of high concentrations of private wealth and existing power structures through subversive force; rejects stagnancy, seeks the advancement of novel pluralism. Group often asserts social and ethical superiority through rationalist human-centred philosophy.
Cultural right: Centrist majority supporting the currently ruling parties. Usually a centripedal agency that looks to maintain existing cultural framework and power structures. Characterised by the strong support for the observance of ritualistic, habitual thinking and behaviour. Group often cites interpretations of millennia-old mystical texts to assert moral authority.
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Well said, belligerentyouth. Well? Does anyone else have anything else to add? If so, it had better be good.
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Remember: war doesn't prove who's right, just who's left. Quote:
If so, it had better be good.
You cain't always get what you want ...
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bel, thank you for that very competent followup. As an aside, however, I'd like to now what "cultural" excludes as well as what it includes, which might simplify the defs, eg
Cultural right, cultural left: All aspects of conservative and liberal thinking except economic matters and international relations
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...The cultural left condemns a rich person for his wealth.
The cultural right condemns a poor person for his poverty...
Albeit an ostensibly apt observation, such condemnation is deserved for:
Not wealth, but the attitude that stealing is merely part of business.
Not poverty, but the attitude that the world owe's one a living for no particular reason.
[The usual Channel 7 editorial disclaimer applies.] 
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All aspects of conservative and liberal thinking except economic matters and international relations - Ah, you are thinking of an aseptic left and right 
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cultural relativism - the principle that people should not judge the behavior of others using the standards of their own culture, and that each culture must be analyzed on its own terms
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edit: this is closely related to Cultural rightS
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