Helen, your post provides a useful place to respond to faldage's demand that I identify instances of (non-keiva-directed) nastiness. One is reluctant to point fingers. But since you uniquely had the good grace to apologize for the incident in which you were involved, I trust that one (the one involving goldibear) may be the one least painful to mention.

You'll recall that the current version reflects your wise toning down of the original, more incendiary comments.

Milum will doubtless recall an incident (not involving you, Helen) in which he was excoriated, very early in his tenure.

Faldage, if you wish further examples or detail you and I can communicate by PM or e-mail.

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