Dear Faldage

Re "the meaning should come fron the initiation not the outcome"

I assume by that you mean to aim at point blank range (you could tell someone point blank - but that still doesn't say yer necessarily right - ya could be still shooten yer mouth off in the dark)

Could you not intend ta hit the nail on the head - before the outcome? If ya aim at point blank range ya may be initiaten, but there is still no guarentee that you'll hit yer target - what if ya have ta aim in the dark, fer instance? (there's many a slip...)

Besides, point blank isn't associated with guess work, as a shot in the dark is, so in a way yer mixen yer currency (taday is Euro day, by the way)

"An educated guess", though not quite close enough ta be an opposite, might perhaps be closer than "point blank".

So if, accorden to yerself, point blank is the closest and accorden ta me an educated guess is closer, then surely somethin closer than the closest has ta be right.

He took a shot in the dark - and missed
He aimed point blank - and still missed
He took an educated guess - and hit the nail on the head

Wordwind - sorry if I unsettled ya - bang on the button is a harmles phrase really, especially when ya get ta know it.

Be seein ya

GallantTed