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OP several of the google hits are unrelated to my question ... some of the relevant examples are:
http://harpist.typepad.com/twangtwangtwang/2007/01/index.html
http://weight-loss.fitness.com/156283-post1337.html
http://pitbullsrock.tribe.net/thread/12933124-17d0-4860-a1d5-f4ec37dbaabe
these links seem to be using things they way i would expect ...
Entire Thread Subject Posted By Posted vip and vim lachapakhan 06/17/07 12:44 AM Re: vip and vim polyglot 06/17/07 01:30 AM Re: vip and vim lachapakhan 06/17/07 02:09 AM Re: vip and vim tsuwm 06/17/07 02:42 AM Re: vip and vim Faldage 06/17/07 11:40 AM Re: vip and vim lachapakhan 07/07/07 09:16 AM Re: vip and vim sjmaxq 07/07/07 11:32 AM Re: vip and vim Jackie 07/07/07 03:37 PM Re: vip and vim zmjezhd 07/07/07 04:09 PM Re: vip and vim Jackie 07/07/07 05:47 PM Re: vip and vim sjmaxq 07/08/07 03:16 AM Re: vip and vim zmjezhd 07/08/07 03:47 AM Re: vip and vim Jackie 07/09/07 02:38 PM Re: vip and vim zmjezhd 07/09/07 07:18 PM Re: vip and vim Jackie 07/10/07 04:09 PM Re: vip and vim zmjezhd 07/11/07 02:10 PM
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