several of the google hits are unrelated to my question ... some of the relevant examples are:

http://harpist.typepad.com/twangtwangtwang/2007/01/index.html
http://weight-loss.fitness.com/156283-post1337.html
http://pitbullsrock.tribe.net/thread/12933124-17d0-4860-a1d5-f4ec37dbaabe

these links seem to be using things they way i would expect ...