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#86619 11/12/02 11:23 AM
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It sounds so strange

We're so used to the connection between Latin caseus and cheese in so many languages. Just in Romance languages it's queso in Spanish and queijo in Portuguese. We're, I think, mostly used to the French fromage, which has suffered the brutal mutilation of metathesis ripping it untimely from its mother's roots. When we discovered that it was formaggio in Italian, some of us went into a tizzy. This after just recently getting that lovely family tree of Romance languages that show Italian and French to be not that closely related (as Romance languages go).

Of course now some of us (read; me) are now in a frightful tizzy wondering why Latin borrowed a word from Greek AND CHANGED ITS GENDER!.

POST RESEARCH EDIT

AHD shows Latin forma possibly from Greek morphe via Etruscan. My Greek dictionary shows Greek phormos means anything plaited of wicker or reeds, hence a wicker basket, e.g., for carrying corn.

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We have just learned what the modern Greek for cheese is: turi (u = y). It normally takes the article: "to turi." Plural is "ta turia." I'd write it in Greek if I could, but I can't here, so I won't.

And sjm, your font is smaller in Netscape but regulation-size via other browsers. Go figger.


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The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

turophile


SYLLABICATION:
tur·o·phile
PRONUNCIATION:
tr-f, tyr-
NOUN:
A lover of cheese.
ETYMOLOGY:
Greek tros, cheese; see teu- in Appendix I + –phile.


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As I suspected, a missing ypsilon in the transform to the ASCII world.

Quite a family we got here looking at the root:
http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE531.html


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And thanks, Dr. Bill, for the look-up.

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It's a very small Greek cow.


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Remember a long time ago, talking about Welsh Rabbit, that some people have nightmares,etc.
from it. Some people associated it with migraine. Tyrosine, tyramine,etc. etc.
tyrosine
5Gr tyros, cheese (see BUTTER) + 3INE36
n.
a white, crystalline nonessential amino acid, C6H4OHCH2CH(NH2)COOH, formed by the decomposition of proteins, as in the putrefaction of cheese: see AMINO ACID



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It's a very small Greek cow.

This from a sheep guy.


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Tyramine Foods
Tyramine is a chemical (monoamine) that occurs
naturally in many foods, but particularly in foods and
beverages that have undergone bacterial
decomposition, such as aged cheddar, blue
cheese, and certain red wines. Not everyone who
gets migraines is necessarily sensitive to tyramine.
Rather than simply eliminating all tyramine foods at
once, experiment to see if certain foods are more
problematic than others.


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In reply to:

the modern Greek for cheese is: turi (u = y). It normally takes the article: "to turi." Plural is "ta turia."


While the ancient Greek was turos, and was masculine. For other cheese words (mainly compounds of turos) see this list from the reverse look up in the Perseus edition of Liddell and Scott:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?T26124572




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