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#8185 10/23/00 10:52 AM
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Ta were-daddy, just the job!

"Dictionary of Mountain Bike Slang" - love it.
Now I just need an ichthythesaurus.



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the term "wank" has been current over here (UK) for quite a long time - I certainly remember using it at school in the '50s

Yes, Rhub, this is why I have a little trouble accepting the word as a recent Australian import (although how recent is obviously a moot point). You can't imagine kids - or most adults, at that - talking about "masturbating".

Maybe no-one in the UK talked about masturbation at all before "wank" was imported, although I find that hard to credit.

Ahem, for want of a better expression.




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Maybe no-one in the UK talked about masturbation at all before "wank" was imported, although I find that hard to credit.



I'm reasonably certain that, at public schools, 'beastliness' was code for buggery (to use the plain old Anglo-Saxon - or was it?). Perhaps the term was more inclusive and also covered the sin of Onan (though as anybody will tell you, apparently Onan was punished merely for spilling it in excitement, not literally for the sin of the handman).

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>I'm missing at least half of the double entendre here! <
Now, now, if you really had missed that half, you would have missed it alltogether. That's in the nature of double entendre..




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(though as anybody will tell you, apparently Onan was punished merely for spilling it in excitement, not literally for the sin of the handman).

As much as I admire the phrase "the sin of the handman" I have always thought that Onan did not "spill it in excitement", but spilt it deliberately in a refusal to perform levirate marriage. As I understood it, that was what got him in trouble.



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beastliness was code for buggery

Didn't know that, shanks. Suppose I could have guessed.
As you say, "beastliness" may indeed have covered a multitude of uh, sins. But wouldn't masturbation have had a category all of its own? Buggery is an entirely different ball-game, after all.

Maybe we shall never know.

Incidentally, "ball-game" reminded me of that wonderful expression "pocket billiards"!




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<Pocket pool> on this side of the pond.


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buggery (to use the plain old Anglo-Saxon - or was it?


The word buggery ultimately comes from Bulgar; apparently Bulgars were well-known for it in Mediaeval times. What the Anglo-Saxons called it I don't know.

From reading the Biblical account of Onan (Genesis 38:9 http://inthebeginning.net/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm ) it sounds to me more like coitus interruptus as a form of contraception.

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more like coitus interruptus as a form of contraception.

I agree. Neat link--I sent it to all 3 pastors I know.
And, heads up, Father Steve! (Though you probably know this about one already.)



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more like coitus interruptus as a form of contraception

Appropriately enough, this member agrees with the old hand.

I'm struck once again by the vast difference (even total opposition) between the portrayal of God in the Old Testament and the New. In the former the message appears to be: "I have my Reasons, but you couldn't possibly understand them. Do as I say or you and all you cherish will suffer, probably terminally".
In the latter it's more "You'll have to take this on trust. Believe you me it's worth the sacrifice. I love you and I could never hurt you".
I suppose it's all about the time the books were written, and the needs of the intended audience.






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