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>How I love, and long for, Shanks and Marty to return.
Indeed. The sunshine warrior particularly do I miss - his intelligence and passion sufficient to enable me to forgive him for being a Spurs fan.
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Hey, Fish! Ayleurs may have stuck on you, but it sure as heck hasn't stuck with the board in general use. It has to be explained over and over. Now, don't get mad at me. I think it's a very nice word. And I like it for my own reasons. But people who drop in from time to time--even people who've been around for a while--always be grumblin' and askin' and wonderin' and frownin' they little brows over the meanin' of ayleurs. AWADers is right to the point. Maybe not so poetic or interesting, but 'tis a simple, immediately understandable term.
Best regards with no "harrumph," copyrighted or otherwise,
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>Hey, Fish! Ayleurs may have stuck on you, but it sure as heck hasn't stuck with the board in general use.
For which tragedy blame can be laid squarely on the well-orchestrated campaign of vitriol run from Louahvull. ;^)
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Tragedy? Tragedy!? Come on over here and I'll show you some tragedy! Well-orchestrated: well, I did used to play violin... :^)
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For which tragedy blame can be laid
on the pure and simple fact that it isn't self-explanatory. Besides of which, it looks funny, and, by Safire's Law, if it looks funny...
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Well, tsuwm, wuwm do you trust? That article was exceedingly long. I skimmed a little of it...long enough to find Safire's Law, but it doesn't sound like Faldage's reference at all... unless there were more Safirian laws. Here's what I found:
'Safire's Law of Who/Whom, which forever solves the problem troubling writers and speakers caught between the pedantic and the incorrect: "When whom is correct, recast the sentence." Thus, instead of changing his slogan to "Whom do you trust?"—making him sound like a hypereducated Yalie stiff—Mr. Bush would win back the purist vote with "Which candidate do you trust?" '
Thanks for providing the link...but skim is all the time I'll give it tonight.
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If it sounds funny, the hell with it. His who/whom advice is merely a special case of Safire's Rule.
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Oh, tsuwm! Thank you for that link! I am laughing out loud. How did I come to associate the title maven with being female, can you tell me? And what the heck does "radical Whorfianism" mean, in the article, please?
And now I finally know for sure what prescriptivist means; I'd never heard the term until I read it on this board, and kind of picked up the meaning by context.
I am rolling, over Mr. Pinker's comeback to arguments against sentences such as: If anyone calls, tell them I can't come to the phone. He says, in part, Such feelings of disquiet—a red flag to any serious linguist—are well founded in this case. The next time you get corrected for this sin, ask Mr. Smartypants how you should fix the following:
Mary saw everyone before John noticed them.
Now watch him squirm as he mulls over the downright unintelligible "improvement," Mary saw everyone before John noticed him.
The logical point that you, Holden Caulfield, and everyone but the language mavens intuitively grasp is that everyone and they are not an "antecedent" and a "pronoun" referring to the same person in the world, which would force them to agree in number. They are a "quantifier" and a "bound variable," a different logical relationship. You-all should really read the rest of it; it's great. (p. 378.)
Oh, he mentions something we've discussed here: that a baseball hitter flied out. tsuwm, I know you loved that section on verbing nouns! ;-)
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